" Lack of reliable, third party sources. Notability not established"

Now that's insulting to both Quake and Quake community.

Like 1000x times more insulting comparing to what raythenoob usually write about Quake here.

Thanks god, Fatal1ty is safe though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal1ty

Learn the marketing, kids!

get a wikipedia ac and write them?

Actually, I don't think we can do much with it. And i'm not sure that we really should rush with some not very well thought out action.

Let history be the judge. Quake as a game concept is very young, it's only 11 years, and I beleive that it's true glory times are ahead.

you can only point out why you think it deserves to be on wiki and link to some background information and then let them decide, now that they have a better picture of the situation.

not telling you to get an ac and flame them ;)

Arguing with idiots - I reserved this solely for ESR only.

(that's not applied for this conversation, obviously :)

Quake as a game concept is very young, it's only 11 years, and I beleive that it's true glory times are ahead.

lol wut?

People tend to reinvent the wheel all the time. :) So I'm sure that quake as idea will never die. It's particular implementation may be gone, but the idea will prevail.

id is in a conglomerate now, they can't call those kinds of shots anymore and after ql's failure, it would be a failure of epic proportions for all involved if they attempt another quake title in the future. Just let it go man, it's old hat. FPS might go on with rage, etc, but quake is history, literally.

no one asked you, as we, the quake comunity, dont care about random USA emos

Funny how you criticize me for ideas you share

lack of premium kinda cuts me off a lot of maps :-)

would love to paly hub, just dont have any friends with subscription

also your argumentation skills need serious help, you got demolished by 3-4 people in this one thread alone:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2178910#pid2178910

Get brushed up on facts before attempting to outwit your opponents next time around. Especially when attempting to argue with demiurge. You're lucky he didn't nuke you.

noone demolished me in that topic, they still faild to provide me with proofs of sensbug...this makes me kinda winner, but im rather used to it.

however i must say demiurge is quite good at this game :-) thus i admited his right, just to honor his skills

plus: WE dont share any ideas, just gtfo, every single post of yours is hurting my eyes and getting you closer to be the first guy on my ignore list.

Yeah you won alright, with your "YOU CAN'T PROVE XENU DOESN'T EXIST" argument, comparing mouse input glitches in a game to reports of UFO sightings and repeating the same thing over and over without actually responding to any of the points.

And you call out Ray on the quality of his posts? Rofl. He's an Asimov compared to your Meyer.

guess what i'll say now...

still didnt read the definition?

Never thought i'd have to say this here of all places, but oh well:

lol pole

for a guy with madbringer as a nickname, its very easy to make you mad

lol pole

the last 3 letters in your name define you quite well

inb4: the last 4 in your....

Well, if the page in the way back machine is similar to the deleted version, there were certainly very few references ( http://web.archive.org/web/20100710081952/htt...ton_Singov ), so someone just looking at the article might come to that conclusion,

Someone who cared could quite easily find a whole bucket load of references though I expect, which might have affected the decision if found while the article was marked for deletion, but I dunno how much that would help now.

There isn't one for ZeRo4... so... why Cooller? :)

there is one about omlette au fromage

OMELETTE DU FROMAGE

u fail sir

Ah. Now this is a real indication of quake being dead : (

inb4 sk4ut,

lol

This issue exists because there is no authoritative source for information about the history of competitive Quake.

Are there any users interested in researching and recording the history of Quake, with sources, citations, pictures, &c?

The ESR hall of fame should be used for write-ups about personalities from the game, not random stupid columns and journals that have no long-standing value.

but we meat again

everything is stored in the enigma that is the esr search function

The problem is that according to wikipedia, ESR hardly cannot be qualified as "credible 3-rd party source".

Regardless of Wikipedia, there is no permanence in competitive Quake. Does that need to change?

Looks like that Quake was not able to become part of mass culture. So i doubt we can change this aspect too.

Mass culture is irrelevant. Sports have historical summaries and halls of fame that celebrate the games and players, and offer fans and players motivation and inspiration to persevere in their hobbies and passions. Quake doesn't have that. It has forums and news that disappears within days, sometimes hours, sometimes minutes. It's a schizophrenic subculture that needs some direction. Or am I wrong?

Ok, I got you idea. I think the best way to establish the permance you describe, is by creating non-profit players organisation (association? federation?) under, for example, US legislation, similar to what exist for sports or religios organisations.

This organisation will be able to accept donations from it's members, which will be used for funding it's main function - providing permance through archival of all data relevant to Quake and giving public access to it

Unfortunately, I don't see anybody here who is fit to do this type of thing. And what is more important, I do not see community approval of it either, or even understanding that this is required. And last but not least, nobody can guarantee that this organisation will not turn into second AGP...

But quake is young so it has a future right? right?

Implementation of Quake is rather old at the moment. But idea of quake, it's metagame is young. And I already can see it recreated again and again or maybe even totally re-invented in the future.

companies are in it to make money, not to win over a couple thousand die hards.... fast paced fps games are old hat....

no, they are not old hat, nobody is just doing them right at the moment. fast games have their niche, and that niche is certainly way, way, bigger than what is being occupied right now.

i agree partly with that but pc gaming as a whole is on a downward spiral. Do you think quake could survive in the console market? I just don't think it would appeal to that crowd.

what do consoles or PCs have to do with anything?
...quake would and does appeal to some people. period.
saying 'not appeal to that [console] crowd' is an easily falsifiable absolute of a statement. plenty of 'that crowd' played quake on console when it came out, so it "survived" just fine, and plenty of people play other fast FPS games, despite the limited controls.

Why do you say that PC gaming is in a downward spiral?

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php

how many pc titles do you see presented there?

also:

X360 4,967,505 (+79%) 526,979,164 (9.14)
PS3 4,273,245 (+39%) 435,274,498 (7.91)
Wii 2,639,683 (+50%) 704,900,985 (7.90)
DS 1,459,560 (+37%) 697,678,991 (4.68)
PC 1,078,569 (+84%) n/a

you know it's bad when the nintendo ds outsells pc games
http://nintendodsi.com/

___________________________

"PC" does not include Steam, and I'm fairly sure it doesn't count Origin, either. Steam hit another concurrent user record today, with over 4.5 million users online at one time.

the article (...) seems to be nothing more than a place to list off all these non-notable "medals" he's won.

by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sergecross73, who also writes that:

I first got into wikipedia because I liked looking up information, especially related to rock music and video games.

Funny... Fat, Av3k, Rapha, Toxjq, Vo0 are all in there.

Cypher was also there, they removed him too?

not yet, but he is considered to be deleted

Nope, still there.

Wonder what their criteria of "notability" are. Seems like some arbitrary bullshit to me.

The whole concept is ridiculous. If somebody wants to make a coherent article on any topic, they should be able to.

Exactly what i was thinking. I realize they might not want to have completely random people cluttering their site, but you'd think they'd want to catalogue people relevant to every particular field they cover... and as a universal encyclopedia, they cover *every* field possible.

So it's not only arbitrary, it's contradictory to the very nature of the wikipedia project. Go figure.

It's not about cooller not deserving an article or whatever, it seems there are no sources for all his archievements etc rather than esreality.

From what i've been able to grasp from it, it's more about some policy change regarding video game competitors no longer being recognized as professional athletes.

From Cypher's article deletion talk page:

Consensus is also now that WP:Athlete has nothing to to do with professional gamers.

However, on Rapha's article deletion talk page, some guy makes this point:

Satisfies point 1 of WP:ANYBIO. The subject of the article has won first place at some of the most notable international "electronic sports" competitions in the world such as Electronic Sports World Cup, Quakecon, and Gamescom. More information about these competitions can be found at Electronic sports. His ESWC win can be seen here which in my opinion, would satisfy point 1 on its own.

Seems legit.

Perhaps someone determined to fight this battle could go the extra mile for the other Quake pros as well.

Personally, i'm waiting for the inevitable TL drama when that Rydernyc fag starts on BW pros. c:

From the same source, and excuse me for literally frowning with disgust at this fucking statement which couldn't even qualify as an Orwellian nightmare (his worst nightmare being western, buisness controlled countries turning pro-proletariat and anti-bourgeois, not a petty quasi-elitist community of inept dickheads enforcing their own insecurities by abusing their power and attempting to "control" the very community which gave them their power in the first place* ... just like wikipedia)

Rant over, here is the phrase that sets my brain on fire::

"Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad has received generally favorable reviews. According to Metacritic the game scored 76/100. IGN:PC gave the game 8/10, the reason for the low scores were mostly because the gameplay wasn't great as Call of Duty, nor were the graphics good, which resulted in the low scores."

* oh hi, xou c:

Orwellian nightmare (his worst nightmare being western, buisness controlled countries turning pro-proletariat and anti-bourgeois)

Orwell is turning in his grave so furiously it may cause an earthquake

Wonder what their criteria of "notability" are. Seems like some arbitrary bullshit to me.

Welcome to wikipedia.. from what I heard German wikipedia is even worse regarding that.

:]

Clicking his name on ESWC 2006 list will link you to this for some reason.

omg lol :D

Cmon guys, im a total noob about wikipedia because i dont enjoy controlled information, see why? Anton page was great, with a detailed listing of his achievements, and this jerk decides it has no value? /o\

I bet this guy got owned in QuakeLive by some tier slumming noob from Russia, and hence he over reacted trying to compensate for his hurt and beaten ego of epic proportions.

This is probably true.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1765743

What information isn't controlled?

Mine, flouride is posion for a start.

And I wanted to donate 20 bucks to the ceiling Jimmy...

the maximum you should donate is a smelly fart after this

Unfortunately, at the moment its impossible to send smelly fart over the wire transfer or paypal to the Jimmy. :( I would gladly did if it would. :)

I wouldn't want to be around anton when he finds out!

I've seen things like this people, people can have power trips on this site and nothing can really be done about it.

I've been reading up on some wikipedia related dramas lately, and i was amazed to witness the scale of fuckwittery going on there, behind the scenes. Apparently it has become a refuge for middle aged control freaks, headcases of all shapes and sizes and bureaucratic assholes, especially in the upper echelons of administration.

Example - look how they settle their internal disputes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration

Fucking insane.

r u saying i need to use Britannica now? :<

Yeah it's kind of ridiculous. Cooller page is a perfect example, why did it need to get removed? It's not like it was controversial or anything, nor was there an uproar of false achievement accusations.

I've seen it with other pages too, they're just babies who only want what other people don't. Kind of sad really, since Wiki can be an amazing resource.

LOL wow this is good stuff. It's like five year olds in adult bodies.

1. Malleus Fatuorum and Tbhotch got into a name calling dispute on Talk:Manchester United F.C. arguing over singular vs plural grammar.
2. Tbhotch reported the incident to ANI
3. Mkativerata responded first, arguing that neither party was in the right and that administrators should not intervene
4. Further comments from Guerillero, Tbhoch, John, Wikidemon, and Quinn follow.
5. Kaldari responds with: "I warned Malleus about making personal attacks last month. Clearly he hasn't taken it to heart. Blocking for 24 hours.
6. SandyGeorgia commented that the block was asymmetrical despite roughly equal misbehavior, with a brief exchange with Tbhoch.
7. Kaldari answered: "I blocked Malleus because I recently warned him against exactly this sort of behavior. If the other party also warrants blocking, let me know. I am not familiar with that editor's history, however.
8. Bushranger edit conflicted with Kaldari, roughly supporting his position / noting long history w/Malleus.
9. Volunteer Marek objected to the block. Discussion with all of the above except Mkativerata, eventually adding Dayewalker, followed.
10. Kaldari left a warning for Tbhotch at 03:12. [12]
11. Tarc called for unblock in a new subsection at 03:23. Bushranger opposed, further discussion followed with several additional users. Rough even split on the block.
12. Mkativerata unblocked without participation in the ANI discussion and without an effort to contact Kaldari, at 0345. Unblock message was: "(ANI is clear. I made the call not to block. An editor does not get blocked because one out 2,000 administrators happens upon ANI and decides to. First come, first served.)"

The wiki version of a jamerio, vedic, raythenoob "argumentation" :o

u mad?

its even worse in the german wikipedia community

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Davewild
this guy did it, flame him

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to User:Davewild, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Davewild (talk) 19:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

=(

this guy is fast. i wanted to inform the public about the disgrace he committed but it was only up for 2 mins =(

Next time edit it 4am and hope for the best.

this one is still there. :D

ridernyc is an envy noob sh1t who got decimated in the game called "Quake Live" by some random midskiller and now for return he deletes all the Quake champions articles (such as "Cooller" and "Cypher") as a pathetic revenge... hes a good boy of his mother in real life who never late to catch the bus on the way to school, noone knows about his online powertripping persona...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ridernyc

haha just saw that lol

reasons it got deleted


Non-notable professional gamer. Ridernyc (talk) 13:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
lol

Delete - Lack of reliable, third party sources. Notability not established. (Additionally, the article, minus the small intro, seems to be nothing more than a place to list off all these non-notable "medals" he's won...) Sergecross73 msg me 20:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Delete, for lack of reliable sources. Per WP:USUAL, this could easily change as coverage of the e-sports scene expands - and, if sources become available about Mr. Singov, an article might become appropriate. But not yet. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is run be self-entitled pretentious cunts. It's like every forum on the Internet. Everyone knows that.

How can Gods be deleted from Wikipedia?

Everyone get on this.

in soviet russia cooller deletes the wikipedia

Why don't we make a quakepedia not unlike to liquidpedia? You could put up tutorials and shit as well.

There are about 5 different ones so which one would you pick?

And all 5 of them are not the best source of information and badly maintained.

gather up

We know who did it, so we split the assasin bill?

I'm willing to hire a "mechanic". I will you pay you $10,000 if you "fix" my problem. $5,000 now, $5,000 after.

I only deal in euros mate,sorry.

I am willing to translate my dollars into euro's, but the price will still be equal as it is in dollars.

Gold bullions are also fine.

"an infernal cretin. deleted Anton Singov's (elder Quake god) page. the guy is a true champion, unlike this davewhoever... unhappy to see wikipedia got taken over by powertripping retards."

lmao, who wrote that? No wonder the talk got deleted.

Vo0 is still up

They obviously didn't read cooller facts.

Wow... this is pathetic, I saw his page up like a couple weeks ago, so sad

Time to move here to something like this:

http://quake.wikia.com/wiki/Quake_Wikia

or

http://wiki.quakeworld.nu/Interceptor

SAVE CYPHER


[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexey_Yanushevsky_(2nd_nomination)[link]

Some dude went through all the Quake player articles and listed the for deletion it seems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiPr...s/Deletion

raythenoob I bet

...

rightt cuz cooler is my arch enemy....QQ

i just checked their policy, it appears the person(s) used this as their reason:

Consensus is also now that WP:Athlete has nothing to to do with professional gamers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articl...nushevsky_(2nd_nomination)
Note: you have to copy and paste this link in your browser, the (2nd_nomination suffix leads to a diff page, eg: the one i'm trying to link to)

Wikipedia notability (sports)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Athlete

in short it appears wikipedia no longer views gamers as athletes :(

Cypher's or Rapha's got saved under Anybio rules or something, don't know why they deleted Cooller's but not the other two.

2012 coming...

assassins !_!

This only seems fitting with quake being dead

User:Davewild "resigned as admin 13 November 2011"

Ding dong the delitionist is dead