You comment on weapons and stack like a CA player will have no idea on how his opponents compare, yet that still applies to both gametypes no? I'm pretty sure a CA player will decide whether or not he can eat 2 rockets before charging through a corridor toward the last 1/2/3 remaining enemies, based on what he or his team know or assume through team chat and enemy movement, plus his own health/armor/ammo count.

I guess not everyone is an experienced CA player though, gj with the article.

I guess you are right, I might have steered this toward the less experienced players in general.

As for stack knowledge in CA, you can have a guess based on:

1) you had your isolated fight with the guy, so you can guess precisely from the damage you did.
2) He is low hp and you hear one of health-based pain sound (requires you to damage him once)
3) A team mate writes you in team chat / tells you in ts

This has some limits, in precision and applicability, and often you simply have to make a wild guess. I find myself using rail quite often at the end of a match, even if mg would do the trick.

In duel, you know how it is. You play for 10 minutes straight. You have the extra difficulty of the opponent picking up health and armor. You can - if you are good - keep track of everything, know which items are spawning and how much damage you did, but it's far from simple. It requires a lot of awareness, and realizing when the stack balance is changing is not immediate. I think it's fair to say that for a CA player this aspect is mostly new.

Lol, I was in a CA server with you last night. ^5

> You can - if you are good - keep track of everything

As a CA player that has barely dabbled in duel and usually just watches the pro streams, I would like to nominate the portion/sentence that I just quoted for the 'Understatement of 2014' Award and it's only January 2nd.

I don't think I've ever even seen a top-tier pro track RA, MH, and both YAs for a full 10-minute match. Ever.

I'm not saying that it has never happened, but, I've never even seen cooller(who casters sometimes call PacMan because of his timing ability) do it for a full 10 minutes without messing up.

In the very small amount of duels I have played(again, as a primary CA player :D), the items and ability to time well takes so much fucking concentration it's easily the biggest hurdle for me to overcome.

I can take, say, Mega Health and say to myself 'okay, i took it at 3:15. Next Mega at 3:50.' Then, I realize I need to grab a Rail. Oh, and some nades for defense would be nice, too! I should probably refill my LG, while I'm.. damnit. shit, there's the enemy and he's seen me. Fight, dodge, dodge! Phew! I killed him. I need hp, better grab 50 bubble and that YA. Man, all my LG is gone from that fight, I need to fill it back up! Okay, good, got the LG now grab Mega Hea... what's this... where the hell is mega health?! *check clock*

GOD DAMNIT IT'S 3:54, MEGA IS GONE AND HE HAS 200 / 50 STACK AND I'M STUCK AT 84 / 50 WITH NO GOD DAMN ITEMS TO PICK UP MOTHERFUCKING FUCKER SHIT.

=(

As a CA player that has barely dabbled in duel

dont talk about duel then.


getting time on every item on map requires 2 numbers. nothing more.

I related most of my post to my own experience. I did not say it applies to everyone.

I even said 'I'm not saying that it has never happened' in reference to a pro player that would be more likely than others would be to time perfectly for an entire map. I said I've never seen it.

You don't need to be 2500 duel elo to notice that even the pros mess up the timing a lot. Especially when the casters point it out all the time. My point was that Memento said you can 'keep track of everything, if you are good.' Well, the pros ARE good and they mess up the timing all the time. They show up to items early and get killed for it. They show up late and miss an item, giving the opponent an advantage, etc.

> nothing more

So, your meaning, then, is that all you have to do is add 25 or 35 to when an item is picked up, if I understand what you're saying there?

What about needing to be in the right spot to either pick up said item or at least see/hear it picked up to get that timing in the first place? You can't always do that because if you're out of control, many times just being in an area will get you fragged. =\ It's not like a person doesn't need to be other places on a map to get ammo, weapons, 25/50 hp bubbles, armor shards or hide from enemy when you're low on ammo or stack! :D

Also, this post was made by Memento, directed specifically at players like me so please, tell me why players that Memento's post is directed towards should not talk about duel in this thread.

Lastly, I watch the streams a lot so part of my small knowledge comes from watching stream/demos. That said, I know that those 2 things alone will not make me into rapha or cypher. Anyone can watch duel and have a decent idea of what is going on. A perfect idea? No, not at all and I don't claim that I do. Even in the past, I have stated that I don't always know the intricacies at all times and that it is why I'm glad for casters that explain things over having casters do play by play. I don't like play by play as much because ... well, we can the play by play with our eyes!

I'm just trying to relate my own experiences, is all, because I didn't agree with Memento saying, basically, 'being good means you can time all the things' when watching pros says otherwise.

Edit: and my post is not an attack on memento. I just meant to discuss that one line, is all. :) I appreciate all the things Memento and others do for the Quake community.

edit: wording =)

such a long reply to me stating its not hard to keep track of all 4 items. fuck, you can track 20 items at once without too much brain work.

pickup priority is totally different thing

I think part of my problem is that I try to do playstyle in duels like the way I see the pros do it. And, when I inevitably fuck something up and it gets me killed, I lose all the mental momentum that I just had.

In CA, I feel fine and confident, even at low hp vs. a non-low enemy. In duel, I focus too much on doing things 'the perfect way' instead of realizing that my opponents are not god damned cypher or rapha. Mistakes are okay because my opponent makes them, too, and all is not lost upon my first death.'

But, that never happens. Instead, I panic and think about how 'crap now I am down in weapons, stack and everything else' and then I lose track of everything like timing and how to stay alive so that I can restack myself.

imitation of pro gamestyle is ok, but only when you have full understanding of decision you saw in game.

thats why cooller, rapha, agent, pavel are great players to learn from, while cypher is cypher:D

I always liked watching cooller, everything he does seems so deliberate.

"imitation of pro gamestyle is ok, but only when you have full understanding of decision you saw in game."

Trust me when I say this: If you can understand the decisions they make in their games then you don't need to imitate. You'll be skilled enough to make your own decisions.

Also the idea of understanding a decision is already somewhat flawed. But you'll realize that when you hit a certain wall of skill that you have to break down when you reach that level ;)

Although I must say.... that since QL got flooded with +forward LG players (which is a result of something I promised never to speak to you about) it is now possible to win a lot of games online with full understanding of the decision to go +forward with lg.

> (which is a result of something I promised never to speak to you about)

I bet you're referring to the netcode!

ADMIT IT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE NETCODE AGAIN AREN'T YOU?!?!!!!!!!

:D

edit:

On a serious note, were you, in fact, referring to netcode and +forward LG play-style? Since I'm still learning, could you explain what mean by your last paragraph?

yes, he is talking about netcode.

just google weird esreality netcode and you will see what he talks about :-)

I mean that there is a playstyle which is fully reliant upon execution which works online. Aka there is nothing to really understand about it.... (imo it's not quake)
But since it works online a lot of players play that way..... Quite a few of them are even unaware that this skill is their main reason for being better than certain other players.

And yes I'll admit that it only works because of netcode :( It's a shame but ow well.

Hmm, sorry if we are beating a dead horse here but I guess I have a few questions. I can't really understand how tracking with LG on a lan is that much different than how you might need to aim differently with rockets/rail/plasma on a lan. How much of a boost does the netcode give to LG?

Also, besides netcode is there any real difference between lg in q3 vs quakelive that makes quakelive easy to +fwd lg. Cause I admit, +fwd lg is my favorite play style, and it definitely works strongly[ in duel (up to a certain point)].

It isn't about aiming at all. It's just fubar impossible to dodge lg because it's too far off on the recieving players screen (depending on the pings of both players).

The thing is that on your own pc movement is instant, and you see what's "behind the corner" as soon as you move around it (on your pc). Obviously "on the server" you get around the corner 1/2 of your ping later. And "on the opponents pc" you get around the corner 1/2 of your ping + 1/2 of his ping later.
However the shots you fire with lg are corrected because of unlagged netcode.
So you can actually start hitting someone even before you appear to be around the corner (on his pc). It can even happen that you hit shots before you are around the corner on the server.... which is just mindblowingly shit.

Also your lg will appear to not touch the model at all even though you hit on your screen.... Which makes it extremely difficult to dodge.

This is also why you hardly ever see someone +backing with lg. You can even have a situation (and this actually happened to me in several official games on t7) where the "defender" and "attacker" both walk circles around a pillar.... Where the attacker can hit shots fine while the defender can't even see the attacker.

I'd enjoy watching a demo of your last paragraph.

Not because I don't believe you, but, because I want to see it. :D

You would need to have 2 players on resonable high ping (ping 40 - 60 or smth) and have both of them stream their own screen.

I've showed a few people this phenomenon ingame. They can just see it on their own screen what happens. Most of them freaked out when they realised that I wasn't just full of shit about my whine on the game ;)

Ahh I see! :P

Well, I'll take your word for it then :D

Don't engage Hitsu. He's the omniscient authority on everything, and will never be wrong. Which in fact is why he is so revered here on ESR.

I don't have any problems with hitsu. As long as he doesn't just fly off the handle at me, for no reason, I don't mind talking to him. Or anyone else, for that matter.

He and I have had a few discussions on twitch chat, in the recent past, and he's always treated me decently. He just happens to love cooller and cypher to da max and that's fine. To deny feelings of man-love is to deny himself. And asking someone to deny their true self is just wrong. Therefore, I have no issue with engaging hitsu so long as we can both have a decent chat and not turn into fucking lethe and jamerio. That would be the ultimate disappoint.

But, I digress. We're getting way, way off-topic from the nice post that Memento made for guys and gals like me. xD

we chatted at twitch? :D trololol :D

not tracking and not going for are 2 very different things.
Also not tracking and not having complete timing on them are somewhat different things.

As a duel player I even had a time where I counted how many shots my opponent had fired and how much ammo he picked up. (which in q3 was more usefull than in ql ;p)

Keeping track of his weapons / armor / health etc is all usefull. Although at certain times you can focus on different things.

> not tracking and not going for are 2 very different things.

Yeah, I know that. I wasn't saying I wouldn't try to go for Mega Health in my example. I'm saying that, in my limited experience, many many many things that happen distract me(and others, if I were to make a fair guess :D) from noticing the time on the clock which leads to troubles! :)

My example above is just a pretend scenario which demonstrates what happens when I try to time items. That happens to me, a lot.

As for tracking opponents ammo ... I'll worry about items for now. hehe :D

you care too much for items & weapons.

They really don't matter much.

I don't think I've ever even seen a top-tier pro track RA, MH, and both YAs for a full 10-minute match. Ever.

The goal of a duel is to score most frags not to eat most pickups. Trying to pick up all items is almost never a good strategy. Even trying to keep track of too many of them in some situations can be disadvantageous when you can find a better use for your mental resources.

That's a very good point! Especially for me since I'm trying to learn.

Plus, I suppose going for every single item would kind of say 'dear opponent, if you want to attack me, show up at the upper yellow.' Which could end poorly for me.

I've seen cooller and cypher track everything for a full 10 minute match. Cooller still lost though.

GOD DAMNIT IT'S 3:54, MEGA IS GONE AND HE HAS 200 / 50 STACK AND I'M STUCK AT 84 / 50 WITH NO GOD DAMN ITEMS TO PICK UP MOTHERFUCKING FUCKER SHIT. NEXT MEGA AT 29
Fixed

Champions mindset ala DDK.

If only it were that easy, to just not think about the bad shit. ;D

Yeah, that's true!

I feel like duel is 20% battle vs. timing, 30% vs. opponent, 50% vs. myself. haha

Somewhat relevant:

"He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still." - Lao Tzu

more like next mega at 25 to 29

yup, better to be ready to do damage at 25 than to show up late and stand on mega spot at 29

: D

Good article.

duel is about doing damage all the time, being annoying, while keeping position to items. it's about speed and quick decisions, not so much about aim.

PS ofc u if u hit 60 lg that kinda fucks everything up

I'd add these practical factors to this theoretical approach. Should go into the last paragraph of part1 -mind aspects-, as they all lead to increased frustration of ca players.

- duel players in general are better than ca players, so expect them to dodge way better and increased difficulty.
- tied to that and to the nature of the gametype (mainly that it is 1o1 instead of 4v4), own accuracies are lesser. Less immediate satisfaction.
- Usually players' skill wildly differs from mod to mod, therefore a ca scrub can be a great dueler and viceversa.
- duelers tend to play +back, the opposite of ca players so they find it homosexual.
- there are some annoying situations and positions, which don't exist in ca.
- the ladder is harder to climb, which takes strength of will and time.
- on the other hand, duel is clearly the main competitive gametype and is easier to find good matches, so the reward is huge if not a lifetime hobby.

CA players don't play +back ???

Ahahah please tell me on which server you are playing :>

The dueller dodges better as a ca-player when playing duell. A CA-player dodges better as dueller player in CA (atleast in the infight-situation). Same goes for the aiming, since aiming often is linked to ur movement. Its different and cant be compared. But to be fair a dueller does better in ca as a ca player does in duell.

The sad thing is that ca has the potential to be a main competitive gametype, but when u start to get involved with things like that u will eventually find this site and everytime u see something ca-related, it gets trashtalked. So guys start playing duell, get roflstomped (since its way more complex) and wont be seen again.

A bit offtopic (im sorry) but this constant downtalking pisses me off.

i don't think there is anything wrong with ca, it's nice effortless brains off shooting. but the downtalking is bound to happen when you fanboys try to sell it as a competitive gamemode.

Thank you for proving my point.

i like hamburgers. actually i LOVE hamburgers. i could eat at mcdonalds 365 days a year if it wasn't so unhealthy. but i would be bullshitting myself if i said that mcdonalds hamburgers are sophisticated gourmet food.

there is a reason why there are more CA players, it's easy and quick fun. just as there is a reason why there are more fast food places with hamburgers than michelin starred restaurants.

whaddafuckrutalkingabouddd... what has EXPENSIVE sophisticated gourmet food to do with CHEAP hamburgers... yeah ur right... nothing. This example doenst fit to the topic i was referring to.

Noone ever said that duel isnt the more complex gamemode and a worthy competitive gametype...

But CA can be played competitivly too. If u tried it on the highest level, u would agree. It isnt "effortless brains off shooting".

And just because ur a good dueller doesnt _automatically_ make u a decent CA-Player.

what i'm saying that competitive ca is boring as fuck. to play and to watch. i see no value in competitive ca.

Thats exactly what I am thinking when I see a dueller playing CA.

No idea about how to play CA = random brainless gameplay = boring as fuck

so ca is boring as fuck. we agree. yay

:) Thanks for proofing my point

that ca is boring? np

))

You should write A Clan Arena Guide for Duel Players.

That actually would be a very good idea !

But I am too lazy and just prefer kicking all of them from my server and only play with invited/skilled/known ca players.

Basic advise: Stop running away so that your teammates die for you. Eat some dmg.. you have enough health stack to take it. And a duellers isn't superior at all in terms of aim to run away and play a team hero. Besides that most duellers don't really know how to move on maps (which makes them a bad team hero): What spots to run to and which you shouldn't go to. And in case u get trapped how to get out of there. Especially when it's x+1vs1.

But I guess first everyone should learn how to position at start. That how ever also needs teamplay and experience.

I played "competitive" CA between 2003 and 2005. I was definitely not among the best (Division 2 in clanbase season leagues, a few nation cups with team italy which was quite weaker than others at the time), but similarly to duel now (where I am sort of average) I had a certain understanding and appreciation for the game.

My opinion is that competition is the ruin of CA. Clan Arena is about +forward adrenaline, hitting high accuracies, and keeping rounds short and fun. This way of playing is desired, but not optimal, and a lot of players will diverge, especially if they feel they cannot win the close in-fight (for ping or skill reasons).

I remember loads of weird, super long, boring competitive matches in ridiculous maps like ra3map2 or ra3map8, where teams would endlessly spam entrances of adjacent rooms, knowing that forcing the way in would be suicidal. It was very dull. I also remember the hate we got, when we won matches playing the unorthodox ways, (like refusing to group at upper in overkill, but instead railing from teleport at teleporting to upper at convenience).

I think the main problems are the flaws discussed here, i.e. terrible spawn system and terrible maps, combined with the lack of incentive to move around. CS has bombs and hostages, and there is a lot that goes around such an additional round winning goal, which make the game much better than just what it would be with raw combat. That's why I think Domination would be a game mode much superior to CA for competition, because it gives something to fight for besides the kills.

I agree with you that Domination would be a nice game mode.

But I disagree with CA being a boring game mode. It is just that not a single team plays CA with real tactics. As you say.. it's only the standard "grouping, fast kill" gameplay.

read his post again. is not only "grouping, fast kill". it's also the "camp your ass off with rail sniping and rocket spamming". or is there any more "tactics" in ca? if you do anything else, you are in a disadvantage.

check the vods from qcon ca tournament, maybe you see something that i don't. post some links and time marks on those vods that you see as exciting.

Have fun in a career of mcdonalds food tasting instead of gourmet.

It's been 5 years of QL. How many major ca lans have there been? online cups? Before 2013 the answer for both would have been 0 and even then no one liked those cups, so hardly competitive.

Guess more words wasted on u is like wasting words on heartless... hf with ur ignorance

I see more duellers crying in this thread than CA players. It's strange :o

Are you seriously talking about a QL career? If so, please grow up.

Btw I come from an iDtech game (quake 3 engine) which didn't have many lans either. But it was for 8 years one of the most played games (also in the competitive scene). The only lans we had were quakecon and some lans in yermans/enschede. We still had all the "big sponsors" and known-big-clans in that game.

A game(mode) doesn't need lans to be active/famous/whatever. It needs a good community and offer fun for every skill level.. low to high skill.

- In q3 there were like 50 major duel lans or more, some of which were quakecons. CA? 0
- In ql there have been more than 20 major duel lans. CA? 1, and it was awful.
- In ql there have been more than a thousand major duel cups. CA? 1, and it was awful.

There's a reason for that despite ca being the most popular mod.

people cant play ca properly, and you wanna push them into duels

Very good article memento, nicely written too.

Your team loses the match, a team mate may write in team chat something about your mama

Oh man that cracked me up :D

As always, good contribution from you, Memento.

Because it happens everyday :(.

The amount of mothers being f'ed, the amount of death wishes, of people getting AIDS, the amount of treats of reporting for being "noob", ROFL.

Seriously people in this game need to go outside and chill :D.

I thought this only happened in CoD communities. I guess some of them are transfering over to CA. Only explanation i have.

This happens in almost all communities, I play Left 4 Dead 1/2, Battlefield, COD, CS, Killing Floor, even other genres RTS/MMO/RPG...

It's not only about age and genre... I'm telling you people are just nuts.

I've already seen some guys in QL who are older than 22/25 year olds (they said it during their keyboard chat fights) they act like it's serious business: "I'm going to report you. Your ELO and skill rating is not high, you make us great players lose. Blabla" Plus I don't think these guys are COD players.

Plazma is an ex cod player, he doesn't act like this :). I'm also an ex cod player, I'm cringing when I see "old school" quakers taking games this way.

Well thats CA.
In duel its understandable that rage sometimes takes the best of you, but still the chat war is more sophisticated, more based on like a situation of the game that you failed and so on. Its a bit different from report noob faggot l2p plxxxxXxxxXXX uninstall

Butthurt noobs most of the time. Don't see any bitching in top tiers.. Except polish guys.. Beacuse

I like generalization, it makes life so much simpler.

Eat potat and chill \o/

ye potat gud

Heartless will be pleased.

idd

:D

once again, ty Memento :)

are you still trying to duel?

I would also add that in order to enjoy dueling you have to start building up your friend list with people of the same level, because nobody really enjoys loosing 100 duels in a row.
Of course playing vs superior opponents can teach you stuff, in my experience more often than not it ends up being just a waste of time/mental health. (http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/cr...d90/duel/1) i can tell you i havent learned a single thing from this one, other than a new mouse cost is 50eu :P.

Another topic that i think you should add more deph to is that movement skills are completely different in both game types. In CA everything is fixable by rocketjumping, and you even need to be a rocketjump ninja of some sort, and in CA you often are good by just camping the advantageos position, while in duel yo need to keep moving and routing through different parts of the map, while camping really works if you are playing waaay out of control. Also rocketjumping in duel is a fine art and never should be used with no purpose, being only practical to grab an item, surprise your opponent every now and then or get to the strong position ASAP.

should have mentioned playing tdm at least, it makes the transition to items/weapons scarcity easier and more enjoyable
or ffa, which is more in the spirit of duel: I dont think many ca players are interested in playing duel anyways, i would understand ctf/tdm but not the most individualistic and complex gametype

Good point about TDM. Teaches about weapon use even better.

duel being more complex than ctf/tdm? Disagree, you need all the skills of a dueler, but also to work as a team.

opinions really
aim playing such a huge role in tdm as opposed to duel, from personal experience i think it makes the former more forgiving and accessible to ca players who are (hopefully) already used to the basics of teamplay
cant really talk about ctf because ive never played/liked vql/q3 physics in it

Nice article and thanks for taking the time to write it.

I'm actually in your prime demographic - played qwca/ra3 for many many years back in the day but never got into duel.

I'd stopped playing for a few years but started to watch some of the 125 fps and DH coverage over the last few months. The number of layers of thought going on in duel blew my mind and totally re-lit my quake fire.

I installed QL and have ~130 duels under my belt, I've probably had ~15 that have gone down to the last few seconds or OT and they have been some of the most thrilling games of quake I've ever played.

One of the biggest differences has been that even if I did poorly in a match of CA I'd have atleast a few high points (good rounds, awesome kills), CA also gives you 5+ fresh starts each game, but my god a mis-matched duel can be so utterly demoralizing when you aren't even aware of 'playing out of control'.

It took longer than I thought it but I'm finally starting to build up a friend list of people who actually seem to be having fun, are fun to play, and are encouraging.

im experiencing exacly the same thing u say here... i couldnt put it in better words (not even in spanish words =] )

I relate strongly to your point about last second overtimes. To this day it can still produce such heart pumping, intense adrenaline rushes, like no other game :)

guide to duel for ca players: all the time you spend reading guides to dueling is time you could have spent dueling.

Finally someone says it. It takes a while to understand why you are getting trashed vs someone who you'd totally trash in a 1v1 ca environment. I'm not talking about 5-10 games rather 100-500. Imo guides are so pointless quake especially duel is about experience and using that to your advantage.

think of CA as a right-brain activity. It's like painting, driving, cooking, etc. You develop some automation, some intuition, and go for it. You can do it at 3AM, half-drunk or high, and you can still enter the flow and and perform decently. You can play CA for hours, in a sort of trance, enjoying the feel of flying around the world using your hands.

For most players, duel is not like this. You still have the mechanics of quake underneath, for which you don't have to actively think, but there is a lot of cognitive processing going on, mostly related to planning what to do, remembering items, checking all the little things like ammo count, etc. This is much closer to numbers, reasoning, and logic, and can take quite some effort.

Guess I should record phil once in ts when he trashes a 2k player :D. Duel is not a mystery or huge brain effort. A lot of it is repetition and knowing what to do in certain situations. You work much more with your subconscious than active brain power or however you wanna call it. Like if I have to actively think about timing then I will certainly lose because it distracts me from other more important stuff. Same with aiming, dodging etc. The more you can do subconsciously the better you will be and you can focus on what your opponent does and will do and how you can prevent that. And as I said it takes more than just a few games to learn stuff. Some will learn it quicker than others aka rapha :O but some need a lot of games.

So you are saying that you do not have to think, but just play play play and win?

he says things like timing, dodge, aim, movement should be natural for you and dont require much attention.

which is basiclly result of playing 5k games. all this shit i mentioned becomes like breathing.

practice, practice, practice

Well, not entirely. But as a beginner I'd say playing a shit ton is the fastest way to become better. When you reach a certain skill point having some thoughts about your game will improve you much more than just playing game after game. I never advised that you should play mindlessly because the result will be someone like me who hasn't improved in the last 3k duels he played :D. I just think anyone who is kinda good has played a lot in his early stages. It's like an endurance sport where you build a base and in the later stages refine your skills.

Aerowalk in special is a map that rewards aim, repetition of rail angles and spawn patterns. It is not a map that would qualify for demonstrating the actual requirement of brain effort in duelling. ;)

Well, I shouldn't have mentioned him then I guess? He does the same on any other map too. Ofc not on the same skill lvl but still high enough for a random 1800 elo guy (aka me :D)

hes 1800 elo too :D

Got beaten ;)?

im just pointing out a fact m8, dont get angry

I'm not mad just a lot of people are when they lose vs him ;)

i know one ;)

me :D?

:p

gotta practice that spawn fraggen

Great stuff. GJ - in the name of newbies - thank you.

LOLCA

The main reason why a CA player gives up duel: he is loosing to opponents who have much worse aim than him. Its just so frustrating to loose to a 1200 ELO guy when you can beat a 2000 ELO guy on eye to eye.

Also a lot of the duel players are just one-map heros. They played the map thousands of times, and played the same situations so much, that they can actually hit quite good despite having terrible aim. Of course there is no way to play on a different map with them.

The third thing is, duel players care so much about winning. It happened to me quite often, when i was about to win, the opponent just stopped the server before the match ended... so lame.

dude rly? it's 2014: Demo -> To id -> dude gets banned

well, it's not really a bannable offense, as it's a private server. but in any case, the better advice would be, don't play on private server unless you know/trust the opponent to not kick/abort.

As a ca monster that has played duel sparingly since 2002, I can admit that bad habits from ca always transfer over to duel. If I duel for a week straight without ca then I will lose the habits and become a well oiled machine, however duel ain't fun, so I never stick with it.

Calculating health in ca is much different than in duel. In duel a ca player thinks that 100/100 stack and most weapons is an ideal time to fight a bitch, but it really ain't that good a stack especially because ca fags will rush into a fight and eat that first rocket defensive spam and then get raped.

Also ca players try to take every single fucking item on the map like it's pacman with no strategy or tactic to fall back on. And so they become super predictable. I like playing rail only vs ca newbs, just railing them on every pickup, they get SO FUCKING PISSED, it's great.

Also ca players like to strafe around the map as fast as possible without even knowing where the enemy is.

CA really is a shit mode for shitties, but its easy and fun.

So jamalz, you are saying that you will come to CA and do your duel stuff like camping in corners(since you have full hp and armor) and etc. and win easily? Haha I would like to see that happen.

He didn't say that...

I haven't laughed this hard since watching Schindler's List



LOLCA

Guide
Duel is a game about decisions
1) Start to clocking everything
2) Learn standart moves from one item to another on a map (jumppaths and time)
3) Calculate enemy stack
4) Psychological aspect
5) Hear your enemy
12345 - is information to decide what to do
6) types of decisions:
Make a trap: on weapon, on healths, on position to harass, on a fast way from one item to another, on enemy item when items are split, on bait item (you 200/200), make some noise
Harass
Take a stand on next item position in advance
Go to next item
+Back
Reduce the distance and kill enemy

it looks so simple yet so complicated.

1) This is wrong imo. Especially for beginners. If you want to practice your timing and/or item control then tdm/ffa are best. In duel you want to have always have some resources avaible to evaluate your situation.

If you want to practice timing you need to start a practice game and add anarki 1, start the match. Main goal is eat everything (not frags) and not to lose count. And you can learn standart *2-*7, *3-*8 etc (32-57,53-18, etc ). Clocking by the chain: i eat ra(at 25) then ya-upper (b) then ya-lower (a) so in my head is "50b" or "50 and i need to go there then there".

This is very basic but once one learns to count he needs to practice it in game where he has to concentrate on other things and he may die in between.

I agree with you.
And It is depends on the player how to learn. And in other modes you can learn how important some aspects of the game are. When i played ctf as def i learn a lot about positioning, when i played ca i learn alot about fake movements

<3 CA <3

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Before u read:
memento_mori
CA Elo: 1634

is your QL nick "slm"?

He out aimed serious In duel today .. serious. Wasn't even that much positional :D

no

*had a higher LG accuracy at the end of the mach.

thats correct :D
that doesnt mean outaimed
as he forfeited the game

talking about overcomplicating the obvious...
practise focus practise focus practise focus, rinse and repeat = win.
no matter the discipline this has always been a winning combination.

practise mindlessly does not get u everywhere.

focus

what if you don't know what to bring into focus? Sometimes guides are useful for this purpose.

doesnt matter, just focus. even really seeing a rock can get u to God

or download some cheats and don't even have to, right?

no

www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8tGCVavS5s

great read even though much of it seems obvious(may not be for everyone)

I liked your pseudo-psychology at the end.

http://esreality.com/files/placeimages/2013/92639-evilina.jpg

awesome ! after reading this i took evil to a 9-9 overtime !!

100st!

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playing a lot of duel matches is not the way to train.

You have to try to play each duel game perfectly. All timings, no mistakes, giving no easy frags to the enemy etc. Always do this, even if you can only concentrate for 5 matches a day.

It's quality not quantity that determines if you will gain needed skill or unwanted habits.

Playing 50 games vs scrubs and doing random shit each game will never help you.

CA guide for duel players:

Stop +backing into tunnels/corners like a lil' bitch.

But..?! :-(

My advice for CA players;
leave this boring and useless game mode for TDM or CTF and don't care about stats

I need fazz to stand behind me, slapping me everytime I'm about to do something stupid. That would help me a lot.

Is that how DHW went so well for you? :p

My advice as lolcaer:
Hide/throw 300-400 nades (blyadran)/anglespam/run

duel mindset: 1v5 ca Final round WCG / ESWC / CPL = €€€£££$$$

Only works against stewpid people!


Oh ...

WANN KOMMST HEUTE SPASS? TI

Fo a CAer, imo it would be better to start off with FFA. It has items as well and the mindset is quite close to duel. If you play with skilled fellas, planning ahead, controlling certain areas of the map / weapons / items and timing is a must, otherwise you will be quadraped in a matter of seconds with no chance of winning whatsoever - but it's still not as unforgiving as a duel.

Playing at least 1-1,5k FFAs, with the goal of winning every match possible, gives you a better understanding of items and spawn-system and can make your transition into duel much easier.

Just wanted to add that when people got into CA 10 years ago, it was mostly for the rocket jumping and the speed and aggression related to it. Then TDM got played less and less, because the players grew up or something (those q2ers who played for 5 years before q3 already) and one day... it was gone.
The saddest day of my life.
Only CA and CTF left to fill the void. Not enough :(

hey all,
is there anyone who is also new to duelling? ive played like 30 duels so far and im looking for CA players with same "skill" (haha) my elo for duel is around 1100 i guess

just check me out an add me XDOMX

peace out

CA has teamplay.

Duel doesn't have teamplay.


i'm not implying that duel is bad, but for someone who is team-focused, duel doesn't have the same appeal as CA.

(i'm the kind of guy who will stop and wait to get killed if i'm last in team; we already lost, regardless of what i might do, because keeping the team alive is what matters)


also .. rocketjumps :P