Time to give up brah

You don't deserve to play anymore. faceit.

when you gonna learn? you have to do FRAGMOVIES not vlogs

u just mirin brah

Not really watching this, but I thought you gave up on trying to get unbanned, no?

I don't think he is ever gonna give it up. Never gonna say good bye.

Two things.

1: why are wearing a jacket indoors? don't you have a radiator?

2: I like the new plant by the window.

it's ecological to add clothes, not heat

and economical.

It's not really that cold here yet. Unless he lives in the northern parts of Sweden, not that i know.

and still you questioned him about having a radiator? i guess he doesn't need a radiator if it's not that cold in there yet.

He has woman'y shoulders.

And you have virgin shoulders

fukye, RAWR like kitty parey, rasell brend is KING!!

Never give up. Ignore the hate, pay no mind to anyone who ever tells you to die. They don't mean it. They just like to troll and pump up the drama, just like you do. And if they do mean it, they aren't worth listening to. Just stay positive, stay respectful, rise above the hate.

Forget the idea about uploading videos of you playing, no one will care about watching old videos. They prove nothing. Streaming all of your matches LIVE with a monitor POV is the only thing that gets close to doing that, and that's not nearly as interesting to watch as an in-game view or an in-game view with a PIP cam of you ala what Vo0 has been doing. Regardless, you won't sway anyone's opinion with a video stream. You should stream just to provide community content. To show others what you can do. Granted, all of this requires you to first be unbanned.

I personally am always a bit conflicted on how to handle these situations frankly because I don't want to be the prison guard of the community. I don't care to ban people. It's not a pleasure of mine (except of course when it really is fun, but you know what I mean =). As a general rule it's best to be a hardliner about these situations and not allow people second chances, because that is the best way to discourage others from not committing the same mistakes. Me personally though, I'm a bit more human than that and am open to the idea of second chances, but they should be rare and debated because for every player that you give a second chance, there will be 2000 legit players who oppose that judgement and 200 banned players looking for their own handout referencing that decision as some sort of get-out-jail-precedent-card.

Stop these videos. I don't mean, stop making videos. And no, (chuckle-chuckle) I don't mean make frag videos instead. Rather if you enjoy making videos, make something that is actually useful to the community rather than just drama-slaw for people to digest and then throw up back at you in the form of hate and painful jabs. Stop making the videos all about you. Be the messenger, not the message. Make videos that discuss gameplay strategies (these can be done offline, you don't need to be unbanned to produce these). Don't want to do strat/tutorial videos? Give editorial commentary on streamed matches or discuss predictions on upcoming tournaments and explain your reasoning for your predictions. Don't care for editorial commentary, get creative and think of something new that people might enjoy. Or better yet, find someone in the community who is already contributing, such as a shoutcaster or someone running a league who is willing to accept your assistance and offer to help them give back to the community. Many of these organizations need people to help run things, and many of these jobs can be done without ever being in-game. Do something useful. Something that someone can appreciated. Something to gain an ounce of respect from the community instead of just making videos begging to be unbanned because you love the game. Its easy to love, but for that love to be reciprocated you have to earn it.

That's a good place to start.

someone TLDR pls

It's funny how your (chuckle-chuckle) made me chuckle. inchukption.

I have nothing.

tl;dr: zhu should be a special guest at zootlive

zhutlive

it's all my fault

how come?

I have a feeling this is not going to happen

I wish I could ban you. That would be fun. If zhu is ever unbanned, I expect you to ban yourself.

Second chances?

Here are some of his aliases...

Zhucide (he put the concept of suicide out there with a play on his own name) , zhuuuLa, ath, alltimehigh, athnator, aberg, athzrd, art_cp

And that's just the tip of the iceburg.

Won money from cheating.
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2124275

He's also notorious for faking in IRC. And on ESR using hidemyassproxies which coincidentally link back to other Zhu posts.
All promoting himself and his cause.

How many times have you had to user permissions to get rid of him?.

He's only like this now because he's out of variables to try and get around your stuff. If there was something else he could do, he would.

This isn't some innocent kid who got tempted to the darkside for 24 hours.He didn't get guilty and come clean, he got exposed.
He was like this for long periods of time.
.
There is a BIG difference between someone who feels sorry for the right reasons and someone who says sorry because he thinks its the best way to attain what he wants. Which is what you're getting from him.

You would be better off using his own PR against him, he's done all this to try and get un-banned, what better way to show you're serious about stopping cheats than to maintain the ban, let him carry on making his videos and do your CHEAT=BANNED PR for you without doing it.

If he wants to make weird videos which will be met with a brick wall of "you got banned cos you cheated" it seems obvious to me he would be put to better use for that.

Sorry Brandy, I could not make it, but I'll at least keep it functional.

You also see this is someone who EXPECTS to be un-banned.
He has not accepted his ban, to him its just a problem for him to overcome and most likely a welcome distraction from other things.

This is a really good chance to use a cheater for the greater good.

That's really a sad post. Even by your standards. You are in your mid thirties and you put so much energy into making sure that a guy who is more than 10 years younger than you stays banned. The only amusing part about this is that you yourself are a confirmed cheater on steam. You tried to get the ban removed but when you failed to do so you wrote up that bogus story that no one believes.

Try not to be too angry when you write your reply and make sure you put in a few smug smiley's so everyone knows you are definitely not upset, like this : )

Well done on proving my point. Zhu.

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=Yl....45.58.194

First you try and be ageist. Not a good idea as synerror is in his 30's too and many quakers and those that are not are on the cusp.

Secondly, you try to undermine my point by accusing me of the same thing, which even if I did, would not make any difference, but for the record, I got vac banned for giving my steam account away, the game was cs, a game i don't play, never showed any interest in, never posted about (do you really think I would go un-noticed? in any game I play online?), yet I cared enough to cheat in, I don't think so.

You are obsessed with the game and have a long histroy of acting like a c**t in the game, taking money off players for money awarded to you while cheating, cheating at comps, pathalogical aliaes changes maskled by crude ip changes ^^^^, it doesn't get much more commited, even crying on camera.

If I was a cheat, I would have flagged up in quake now, I been cheated against many times by them though.

http://www.esreality.com/post/1000443/anc-satan-vs-jamerio/
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2013697

To cheat or steal, or murder, there is always a motive. There is no motive for me to cheat in CS, and like I keep telling you guys, if you do not think its possible to get banned at steam without playing just give me your login details and we'll put it to the test for research, of course, none of were keen on that. Nothing like a dose of reality is there.

There is a plausiable case for my situation which I could prove IF there was an opportunity to submit info to get it unbanned (there is none), you on the other hand are 110% cheat material and have all the characteristics that go with it.

I would be embarrased to play the same game as you,its partly why I attack you on ESR, I want to show the world that you're not most how most people are.

Never once have you accepted your ban, you've just acted like a little child whose going to scream and scream until he gets his way.

So I'm just a symptom to a problem you created. The fact is, you would serve a much better purpose to be a poster child for cheaters.

You could even convince yourself you are like Jesus!!!!

You can write 10 more novel sized replies but that won't change that fact that you are confirmed cheater. Deal with it.

Oh and your motive for your awful cheating is that you wanted to experience how it would feel like to play at a high level without getting your ass kicked. You know like that time you told people you would be playing quake 4 at a high level only to get your ass kicked at your first and only lan tournament!

Quote from tournament - “who needs armor when you have jamerio as your opponent”

: )

I can see you're keen to divert attention FROM YOU, but this all about you ZHU.

Nobody cares about me.
When I play quake against someone nobody thinks I'm cheating, or might be, you on the other hand bring paranoia, mistrust, whether you really are or not.

You have to accept that you cannot offer anything positive to a quake server.

You serve a better purpose as a cheat poster child.

I'm not saying you do not deserve a second chance, I'm saying your suffering is better off being put to good use.
The paradox of your personal suffering generate positives for other things.

In many ways Zhu, you could be helping to keep quakelive clean by being just how you are. What changes if you get reinstated?

It sends a message that no matter what, you can get it overthrown.
That's a very dangerous message to give out on a game which has paid options. You didn't cheat for 24 hours, you misbehaved for a long time. Sorry now, no, sorry you got caught, behind the scenes you don't give a toss.

I would personally use you as poster child to deter cheaters.
And inspire my paid up users whose side I am on.

Doing deals with the devil is not good.

Who knows, for all we know, a piece of his ceiling could have fallen on his keyboard and accidentally pressed a certain combination of keys in a way it downloaded the OGC, and ran it. He came back, cleaned his desk in confusion, and played some quake. He was probably wondering how is he able to see through walls but he didn't want to pause the game cause people hate that.

We obviously don't know the layout of his keyboard so technically we're unable to prove that this particular scenario didn't occur...

he's putting way too much time into this, instead of just saying that he gave his account to a friend who cheated.

d r a m a - s l a w :D


Haroshhhh!

A good place to start trying to compete with LOL and DOTA is making the game free, as in, charge if people want to unblock content but let people that do not want to pay unblock content by playing and gaining experience points, you could unblock maps, the premium scoreboard and so on, by playing. Please fix QL, the model is backwards and the game needs a facelift. As soon as it retains the same feel physics wise, I wouldn't mind it running on id tech 5.0 or whatnot, with added ragdoll physics for the dead models (in 2013, if someone sees a dead model floating on an edge they are going to laugh at the game) and so on. Oh add the possibility to unlock gore again if you are an adult.
Completely unrelated reply, but QL must be saved and I shall reply to every syncerror reply I see about this.

please don't let those 3 bucks a month destroy you

Im having a blast playing LOL for free, having even-matches with people that bought content with real money, im also able to create custom games for free (not only 3 bucks a month anymore).
Tell me, why exactly should I pay a penny for a 14 year old game?

I don't see anyone forcing you to pay those 3 bucks a month for anything, or caring whether or not you're gonna do so, so my question is... what are you doing on a quake forum?

Talk about Quake? duh. My objective point still stands, the model for QL is flawed, no objective point whatsever to pay for 14 year old content. A LOL model is objectively needed.

The thing is while both are "freemium" in quake players are being forced to pay, unwilling to do so, whereas in LoL people want to pay because of the offered content and their love for the game. At the same time in the latter it isn't $48 a year tops, but one can spend thousands of dollars if they want to.
A second flaw of QL's subscription based business model is it is incomprehensible for a newcomer and makes playing with friends way too hard.

About the old game argument, dota and WoW are almost 10 and 9 years old respectively and people have no problem paying for that. What matters there is constant, meaningful development, which QL never had, and also consider there are costs involved in making and running the project.
edit, some time after: actually I'd say stylistically and positional sound wise QL is a step backwards from Q3 even, for example the footage in http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/33341-1on1_wit...Hendrixson

So I agree with the part that the business model should change, but I disagree with you thinking it should be free.

I could tell you my personal experience with both: I've never ever payed a penny for any quake game or related expenses (servers and hosting tournaments), but last year paid $100 in LoL for what's videogame clothing just because it was fun to do so, something I wanted to have. And BTW I've been playing it since 2009, which is a lot of time for a videogame (it is quite old) and me and dozens of millions of people have no problem with that nor will demand everything for free.

Im not saying make it free, im saying make it LOL type, where if you had free time enough, you could unblock all the content without spending a single penny. Incentive to play is all that matters.

You don't have to pay a penny for a 14 year old game. Quake 3 still works fine, and you can play all the maps you want.

It's like you retards enjoy being scammed and having a shitty playerbase.

It's WHOLE 3 BUCKS.
Not everyone sleeps on moneh.

It's 4€ a month for PRO, 0 for LOL. The argument is over before it even started.

LOL is the right way to call that shit

you could at least have the common decency to play dota

Both are good games that do not require you to pay to enjoy all the content, as opposed to QL's broken system. My point stills stands.

You could always say these games are worthless OpieOP
But yeah, subscription for game like QL is... meh. It seems like only die hard fans will throw moneh at QL.

let me see if i got this.

you wanted a couple of guys to dedicate their time in successfully resurrecting your dead game completely for free because you surely deserve that? greedy 3 dollars a month fuckers. isn't that cute.

how about you install your beloved quake 3 or just go fuck yourself?

I see you keep being an incompetent retard.
"Resurrecting" a 14 year old game via asking you 4€ a month to create custom games and so on is the dumbest thing i've ever seen.
Again, if you could unlock stuff with hard work (in LOL, it takes HARD work to unlock all the content) you would get an incentive to keep playing, which would translate in more players, which is all that matters.
More players playing = more % of them paying real money for the shortcut that is unlocking the content instantly. This is the basis of LOL and DOTA2 model. Think before you reply again dumbo.

you paid for quake3, didn't you?

dota was just a wc3 map, lol just stole and abused the non copyrighted idea then put it out in pretty much exact same form, just as those shitty heroes of newerth. i'd rather kill myself than play that robbery.

please get the fuck out and keep your 4€ a month, noone cares.

Yeah, ONCE, and LESS than what a pro subscription costs for the Gold Edition which I bought years ago, and you could do a lot more with it. See how ridiculous you look? Just as ridiculous as charging 29€ a year for a 14 year old game with barely any new content (most of the non originally id maps are maps release by the community for free, not to mention all the "pro" features originally designed by OSP and perfected with CPMA, which makes the whole thing even more ridiculous).
LOL has new content constantly and it's very well done, matchmaking that works, a ton of stuff to unlock.

1. for ~20$ a year you have everything except the ability to create servers. that's basically free.

2. if you like unlocking stuff and similar shit in order for you to get some sense of progress, try some call of duty.

3. quake 3 is still out there free for you to play.


This is where i leave you.

1. I bought the Gold Edition ages ago for barely what they are asking you for premium now, with a lot less content available

2. You could pay to upload this content just like you do it now with premium/pro, you just could unlock it yourself with hard work, aka incentive to keep playing, aka more players, aka higher % of people paying. Win/win/win, this is the model im refeering to and this is what you keep failing to grasp.

3. No one plays and there isn't a way to have proper profiles, ranking system and so on, which is what makes QL have potential (if id didn't fail at the whole thing)

You are leaving because you have no real arguments to defend your shit.

Heh, all you people praising, and plussing SyncError for his post, while he's subtly suggesting unbanning people for community content. Excuse me, I'm forgetful, but didn't we have an opinion on that?

so no second chances?

Yes, I don't like second chances with cheating, not without another game or 5 years or more. The thing is, cheating breaks things apart. Have you seen how real sports (or starcraft) react to match fixing? They understand it can't happen or it threatens the legitimacy of everything, so they act accordingly. Us? We're a mess, dependent on community leaders' opinions, which is rather silly.

Ehm, have YOU seen how real sports deal with cheating?

You mean doping and such? The issue is so complicated that it's hard to compare; there are drugs you can't detect, it's possible to get detectable drugs unintentionally, some sports have a standard of everybody doing drugs and only some people getting caught...

As for match fixing, they deal with it harshly. In scbw it was a huge scandal and it seriously damaged the game.

It's not hard to compare. There are many figures in sports who are known to have used drugs/ use drugs intentionally. It is exactly analogous to cheating in online games. And you will hardly see any get more than 2 years bans.

On the other hand match fixing isn't at all analogous to cheating in online games. The direct analog to match fixing in esports is... match fixing.

* games have lans where nobody cheats, so you can be sure lan results are real
* good games never have a state where many top players are assumed to cheat, and again, that's just in less important online competitions
* sports have a real prospect as a career path and money - apart from a couple of games, it isn't like that in comp. gaming. This is the biggest difference, as removing the primary (at the very least secondary) career path for a person is not comparable to taking away his hobby


This along with the complexities about doping make it entirely, entirely different.


As for match fixing, I was comparing it's impact on the legitimacy of the game and how it's treated because of that, not in any other sense. I agree that the many differences still force us to look at it differently, I'm just pointing out the mindset, which is the same.

games have lans where nobody cheats, so you can be sure lan results are real

Apart from the fact that you can very well cheat on lan... so what?

good games never have a state where many top players are assumed to cheat, and again, that's just in less important online competitions

Neather do many real sports.

sports have a real prospect as a career path and money - apart from a couple of games, it isn't like that in comp. gaming. This is the biggest difference, as removing the primary (at the very least secondary) career path for a person is not comparable to taking away his hobby

So because quake is less important to people we need harsher punishments?

What complexities about doping?

Apart from the fact that you can very well cheat on lan... so what?

You may be able to abuse some mistakes by LAN organizers, you can't wallhack or use an aimbot. Don't play dumb. It's important because this means that in sports, you may question real competition results, even take away medals. It's a reason why cheating in sports is hard to compare.

Neather do many real sports.

Ofc., I'm just again pointing out that it's different in games compared to what it is in many real sports.

So because quake is less important to people we need harsher punishments?

Because quake is less important it's easier to be less lenient. Two years ban from competitions (along with huge loss of respect from fans... and sponsors) for a sportsman is huge. A 5 year ban from Quake would be equal to be forced to quit a hobby. It doesn't ruin years of what you built in life. You may say that the friendships and respect you lose are valuable, but you lost those when you decided to cheat.

The complexities I pointed out in the post above the one you replied to. Doping is a drug you use to potentially win life-changing competitions in sports, in person. It's an incredibly big deal for the person using it.

On the other hand, cheating in quake is an only-based issue where swarms of idiots and trolls might might ruin the idea of fun, fair play, competition online, and competition on LAN indirectly. We consider the community very precious for us, but it's very fragile and we can't do that much to stop anonymous pricks from destroying what we have. I say we must do at least what we can.

i don't think this exists but imagine a BYOC lan and you had developed a sound wrapper for ql that allowed to hear across the entire map. organisers wouldn't pick this up and it would be very hard to tell if someone was cheating in this way as a spectator. or maybe a bluetooth device inside the headphones, connecting up to someone standing behind your opponent relaying his moves. while these are unlikely it shows how it can be done.

with regards to drugs testing, take lance armstrong in the tour de france as a great case of just how clever people can be to avoid detection. what's more it was widespread.

the loss of something someone has strived to become good at has a detrimental effect. they treated their game with contempt and their peers with disrespect, but, they have paid a price, in forever ruining their reputation. a firm but fair bans offer players the chance of redemption, but they come back knowing their ill deeds will always follow them. this is the true price they pay. permanent bans are excessive imo and only warranted in extreme cases. repeat offences should of course be treated harshly.

you shouldn't draw a distinction between sport and gaming on prospects for an individual in real life. it's the effect physcologically and emotionally because of attatchment that makes both disciplines equate.

I'd say we should look at all the components, ignoring none. As I said, the thing I'm most scared of is the fact that our community is so small, tournaments aren't numerous and sponsors are few. Anonymous randoms from the internet can ruin it so easily. Imagine if we had one cheater for every ro8 in a tournament... It'd spell death for us. That's why, including factoring in their relatively small loss, I support hard punishment. This matters more so in showing our stance than in anything else.

we most definitely do

Well i know that you have had some run ins with him so i don't blame you for not liking him.

But the way i see it is that Zhu should deserve a second chance because of that he is a different person now. If you look at how he first reacted when he received his ban, he blamed it on everybody else. Just like an immature brat would have done. He called everyone a fat virgin, it was so unfair to him to not get to play anymore despite him being so awesome in his own world.

This is a typical behavior of an immature person. He did not take any responsibility for anything at all. His own actions was not something he would take responsibility for. Every person that joked about him were treated really poorly by him.

Now however he have changed. He is still a bit of a troll sometimes and it makes him no good. But now he can take these jokes and he does seem sincere when he talks about how he is sorry for what he did. Like when he apologized to his former team mates for dragging their names down. He also laughed in his thread about his girlfriend leaving him, someone asked if his girlfriend cheated on him. And he laughed.

Compare this to the younger zhu that told everybody that they were fat, ugly etc. He have changed. I don't blame you for not seeing that since he is still a bit of a twat towards you. I would probably feel the same towards him if i were you.

I didn't have any running with zhu really. I just don't trust ANY cheaters back into the game, hate the idea of exceptions to the rule and the fact that some people are trying to make it happen (either seriously or actually mocking zhu in the process). I totally get synceror's point, but it changes nothing for me.

I totally get synceror's point, but it changes nothing for me.

I'm certainly not trying to sway anyone's opinion. I personally don't want any cheaters to return. I was just stating that I certainly am not going to give someone a second chance unless I feel they've earned it somehow, and I think 'community service' is probably the best way to do that.

how many fragmovies?

It's all about shitty songs!

Well at least you openly admit your way of thinking. I guess that's a good start. Now you should try to reevaluate it and acknowledge that it's flawed. I'm not even going to take a stance on whether or not a second chance should be granted, that's beside my point. But, WHY should 'community service' be the one thing that could earn anybody said second chance? That makes absolutely no sense to me, no logic in that.

You say you don't want any cheaters to return, that you don't want to send the message that it's alright to cheat, yet that's exactly what you've done.

zhu's comeback wont affect you in anyway, as you play only low tier CA

1. I don't anymore. Now i play low tier ca and low tier duel badly. gearing up for low tier tdm.
2. It's not about me, It's about the principle.

what principle?

if u commit a crime you get punished. after you serve your punishment you're free man.

Sometimes the punishment last whole life(???)

in the extreme cases - yes.

but its minority of crimes

No cheating in a video game is just as bad as murder! If you don't agree you're a fascist.

I don't think time is comparable if we're talking prison vs being banned.

this

Well what i am saying is that he used a wallhack in a video game. He did not earn any money because he never received it.

Then some people are telling him to kill himself? Really, who is the most fucked up? He cheated in a video game, big deal. Dreamhack admins have said that they wont let him compete. The only thing that would happen is that some random guy that you have never met in person would be playing Quake at night.

What some trolls say on the internet or how you call him (random guy I have never met lol, you could say that about Kim Jong-Un) is irrelevant. He ruined competitions, threatened the idea of competition not only by cheating online, but by cheating on lan. Why should we even look at his side?

Saying he just used wallhack in a video game is the most interesting part in this. If it's so unimportant, why should we care about his side, he'll be fine without the game anyway? The only way to look at this seriously is to consider the side of the ruined competition, and that doesn't bode well for zhu. Unless you consider the whining of some immature guy on the internet a serious matter?

PS. He can already play Quake at night, and he probably does, doesn't he? I mean, nobody can stop him from creating fakenicks and getting a new IP address. What he wants is recognition and respect in the form of us allowing him to be a real community member - well he shat all over that, so why should we care.

I am just saying that he should be unbanned on his account. Not that he should be allowed in competitions. And i do agree with him ruining competitions, thats why i dont want him in them.

It might seem like i strongly wants him back but i dont. If he stays unbanned it doesnt bother me that much. I want him back because he seems sincere when he wants to help the community and remorsefull when he taöks about cheating.

If you're caught cheating in a casino, the ban is for life.

casino's actually have a shared database between companies that lists individuals and their associates who cheat, are violent, have bad credit history, etc. however, if you are a big enough punter then it can be overlooked, especially by competing casinos.

i guess you'd call zeroql a big punter.

Yeah, but there isn't a chance one of those guys would ever cheat again... unless they lost any interest in life.

"Zhu should deserve a second chance because of that he is a different person now"


he is a different fucking person each week, why do you people keep seeing him as a good samaritan.

The whole #freezhu thing is a joke, I can't believe you faggots are falling for it.

#LeaveZhuAloneFgts

#LeaveZhuFgtAlone

fixed

At least his split personalities are better now.

?

He makes a vlog 3 times a week, all of those consist of 34 forms of saying 'guise, im desperate, unban plox', shortly followed by 'thats it, im done...you wont be seeing me again'.

How the fuck is that mature?

If hed be a different person, he wouldve left by now or made something that makes any sense BY HIMSELF.

But well, now when sync gave him a guide on how to get unbanned, I think people like you will realise how foolish they were shortly after hes back.

zhu, a tiny shrimp on the ocean floor, stretching as tall as his numerous legs allow toward the broken promise of the hint of light rippling across his vision. have you no love for the development of crustacean existential drama?

the difference between zhu and many others is that zhu is willing to share his struggle with others. he's an artist, and what he expresses impacts many people at visceral points in the organs of their ethics. like any good artist, his role in provoking thought is often overlooked, the spoonful of medicine disguised as a plummeting airplane, your tongue the only landing strip within reach of your mother's arm.

YEP!

There's 2 types of Zhu, if you havn't realised this:

One where he is genuinly serious
and one where he is trolling. And I think he realises the troll thing aint giving him anything

Yes, Zhu, we've noticed it.

Still he cheated in competitive money games. He had a shitty attitude then and has one now. He is narcissistic beyond imagination. Making vblog videos about himself and begging for unban.

I don't think someone deserves forgiveness just because they feel sorry. (Knowing him the only reason he feels sorry is that he got banned and is unable to play) Quake doesn't need him, he want's quake though. Does it justify a removal of ban?

I have yet to see a cheater to come clean and apologize before being caught or being heavily suspected. Admitting to a wrongdoing once there is solid evidence is not even regret it's just damage control.

Will he cheat again after being unbanned? Most likely not as everyone will be watching him. So what is the problem then? The problem is the message you send to everyone- cheating is alright, if you get caught you need to act as if you are sorry and all is forgiven.

Don't bring any comparisons to professional sports or crime, where people serve their time and are welcome back. Competitive gaming is still often looked down on by many as greasy kids sitting in basements and playing games all day long. It is very important to have the best image of competitive gaming and a single cheater can damage the integrity and trust of sponsors.

Best example- the downfall of broodwar in korea was greatly attributed to one person- a player from CJ Entus Savior. He (and some others) were involved in match fixing, where they would intentionally lose games they were favorites and make money on illegal bets. Shortly after this came out, teams disbanded, leagues were discontinued. Not only because of that one incident, there were other aspects that affected it but it was a significant part of it.

Make no mistake quake doesn't need to damage it's integrity by catering to some narcissistic cheaters and putting the fragile competitive scene at risk.

If Zhu wanted to play the game that bad he could reg with a new ISP.
Change his name.
Keep his head down for 6 months and go from there.

Why is it SO important to resurrect his banned alias?

I reckon he'll only troll you if he gets unbanned. Anyone who can cheat at a game like quake does not have that thing inside of them that would feel bad for doing so. So how can it mean that much to him?
If it meant as much as he pretends he would not even cheat to begin, let alone to the degree he has.

"imagine how that would damage ESR if he trolled you after it"
"Imagine sync how that would make you look"
"imagine the message it sends out"

It would make fools of you all, not to mention the damage it does to existing players, being paranoid when he joins, never knowing if he's genuine, you saw it in Cycling and its starting to eat into athletics too. Its a turn off. Cos at the end of the race you think, did it mean anything. That is what he will always represent.

He serves a better use as he is, and as I keep saying, if he REALLY wanted to play, he could change ISP and behave, but he doesn't want that, he wants to prove he can do it the hard way.

Force him to CHANGE without REWARDING himself with the PR that he turned it around.
Force HIM to do it in silence, on his own steam, so if he does turn it around, he won't get the satisfaction of turning anything around. He'll just be allowed to play again, which is what SHOULD matter if he really wants to do so.

Here is what he will do to you if you fall for his shit...



Key:

Zhu=wheeler.
Robot = Syncerror.
Jamerio = I'm an evil version of Dortohy then.

+ for the best movie ever. One of my favorite movies as a child.

Robot = Tik-Tok ;)

Is that a drawn moustache?

He seems to have been cultivating it for a few months now. ;)

soft breathe of wind might blow it off, should be careful.

There is two types of Zhu:

There is Zhu
and there is Anonymous Proxy Zhu

It's some kind of troll or myth, i dont even know what a proxy is

if zhu makes some CPM* maps for CA, he shall be unbanned


*f.e. black cathedral, theatre of pain, overkill

I just wanna put out there to anyone in consideration of doing analysis videos of matches, you have to consider viewer retention. There are few people who will sit through more than 10 minutes at a time I've found, I had to think about this and try incredibly hard to keep my QuakeLive Play series below 20minutes as best as I could.