planned update?

leagues can change the quad factor in their rules since all of the league games are played on private servers anyway (you can change the quad factor when spawning a server), thats also what id software would rather see happening

those commands should be used more frequently in tournaments, or at least once.

I know id has not delivered some key elements for that such as maps (for doublejumping q2dm1 and more cpm and q2 maps), fixing airacceleration, promoting its use by providing server cfgs for different types of gameplay such as cpm and q2, etc etc., but with what we have they can still be used.

The problem with that is you lose that option along with many others when you select a standard level server in your server configuration, which is stupid.

this and many other features you can chose while creating server should be voteable! Nothing is so much frustrating as spawning server with wrong settings!

the game does not need your changes, thanks

Fuck off TF2 player.

Agreed ! :D

:DDDDDDDD

I'm actually happy with any nerfs that come, as long as we don't continue on toward a point where nerfing is the answer for everything, and thus we're all firing water pistols. Even if I'm not playing quake live that certainly would not be a game I'd enjoy commentating!

pub tdm is fucking horrid. With similar skilled opponents its really fun though...

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LOL @ NA, they have no #tdmpickup :D

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dont worry, one day you will be good enough to be able to play on publics aswell

QL forum link totally works

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balance should be the same in all gametypes otherwise it'd split the community

the only current case in which I think should be different is instagib (both dm and ctf). Wouldn't it be awesome if it was the same as 1.16, with increased movement speed, rail knock back and so on.

Also for new gametypes there should be differences, for example if id fixes airacceleration there should be an option to use qw's weapons. I know it sounds radical but I really like the idea of QL being the game that gathers all quakes (or someone could copy its interface for qw, including its best features like being very noob friendly and connectivity between countries).

The different gametypes split the community already, people play what they prefer, each gametype demands different changes to improve.

i know. Some people here say ca should be removed because it splits the community lol.

The thing is current mods (game core) are related because gameplay is the same and that's a good thing.
Lets say I want to give duel a try: I don't have to learn to play a whole different game. Also I won't be frustrated with the SG every time I switch from tdm to duel.
Variety is a key element for a game's longevity and that's why no game i know of changes basic gameplay between core or characteristic mods. Most people won't like being "forced" to play the same mod so they'll get bored and stop playing.

that's a whole different scenario than the new gametypes I suggested because those are made to attract people from other quake games, attract the thousands of idle accounts (most probably more than 50% by far) and keep current players playing



edit: with that clear what's the solution then?
Most games have clear top tier weapons/characters/etc according to what the developers want. Qw for example uses the order from single player, or street fighter games, in which sagat is a constant top char.
Dota uses lots of different modes so some characters are way better in one of them than in others, but in the mode that matters there's a mostly undisputed tier list. It's a very "unbalanced balanced" game.

Since id's idea is to have situational ("balanced") weapons that have no issues in every gametype balance gets complicated. Don't think about sg because an easy solution is to nerf its range but think about mg.
How do you fix the machinegun so it works in duel, ctf, tdm, ca, ffa and freezetag at the same time, and all that without changing it only for specific mods?

also a question. do you think mg is underpowered in duel? balanced? op?

I would say underpowered but considering my bad aim atm I can;t pretend to have a valid opinion on it

was pointing this out because I see many times people giving their insight on this/that based on their own experience yet they don;t consider how well they do under the circumstances

changelog, please?

The biggest problem in TDM is, I think, the MG. Specced deus yesterday, he had 40 hp and a bit of armor and almost all weapons but didn't dare attack a freshly spawned enemy. That's ridiculous, but that's how it works in QL TDM. 50 ammo, 4 damage would be the maximum. That worked in osp but would still be overpowered in QL I think, as it was in vq3. So maybe 50 times 3 even.

Shotgun is too powerful on long range, thats the only problem. 10 x 10 with a wider spread and that would be fixed imo.

Now someone please come up with a secret master plan for the rocket launcher, as people rely a lot on positional play and rocket spam (not to say corner camping with fast rockets). If you nerf the shotgun damage -- also in close combat -- people will cornercamp with rl even more often.

And for the weapon that no one talks about in QL: The plasma was a good attacking weapon in q3 with faster bullets, 8 damage each. In QL its for doorway spamming (defensive use) only. Overall, Quake TDM seems to become more and more static. :/

plasma was never changed from q3, its 20 dmg per cell btw

20 dmg now but i thought it was 12 in q3 osp. Messed it up with shaft from q3 in my earlier post.
Just looked it up though and it really appears to have always been 20 dmg. I still think the firing rate was decreased in ql though, wasn't it? It felt different in q3, anyway...

no, wasnt changed, different netcode makes plasma balls appear different

If you say so. Thanks for the info.
The MG/SG/RL stuff I said are still valid I think. :)

this, although to be correct, the plasma (projectiles) netcode didn't change, hitscan got "unlagged".

Stronger armours would make rail even more of a joke as it is lol.

do not want to see your armor system, it will add even more luck factor into duel since player which will get ra/ya at spawn will be in really favored spot, also this system will make comebacks even harder than they are now, might even be close to impossible at duel with 2 iem pros, so matches will be more boring what will slowly decrease quakelive viewership
in one word : utter failure, gtfo item bitch ;p

mg dmg to 4! Finally someone who gets it, I was saying that since ages ago: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1729653

SG nerf agreed.!

Quad 4x idk. maybe. I can't decide on that.

Armors are ok as it is, if mg and sg are nerfed.

Today's scheduled QL update has been postponed, our office is closed today due to winter weather.
about 2 hours ago via web

from google:
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i loled really hard

Aww. Are you really this stupid? Maybe read a paper or watch the news?

They're not in Dallas anyway.

It's the humidity!

sg has been fixed = fixes armor as well. gg (only in tdm though) -> im not sure how it plays in ctf :) 100dmg might still be a lot but i cannot wait to see how it plays. :x

3x quad is too weak, just put pu's back to how they were and tdm = $$$

yeah, especially on 2xPU maps 3x quad is a complete joke comparing to battlesuit atm

Quad means 4x, but for competitive purposes works much better at 3x damage, especially on lan. 4x quad with 0 ping makes games that were determined by solid play, often go on auto tilt for a few minutes. The difference seems small but i think it has a major effect on ctf, haven't played enough tdm to comment regarding that.