yeah and rightly so, it was before its time, fallout 3 came about due to the success of oblivion, the quests were memorable, and the side quests were so deep! Fallout 3 (compared to oblivion) just felt like a rushed out game, quest wise with most side quests feeling lack lustre, I wasn't even happy with the ending (though it was still a good game to play) Hopefully New Vegas has improved fallout 3's flaws!
imo the fighting system has more sense in Oblivion
a guy with a sword coming straight at you is ok, but a guy with a kalashnikov doing the same is just stupid (AI in Oblivion and Fallout 3 looks the same, with minor modifications)
Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 20:29 GMT, 8 November 2010
honestly ive played the game like about a 20 different ways there is no real sense of danger facing enemies, with or without vats, in FO1 or FO2 if you faced on early stages a group of deathclaws or aliens youd better bring 200 tons of ammo and stimpaks because your chances of getting out of it alive without anyone of your party dieing were pretty small :)
Im not dishing the game but the previous storys were very well built and connected one with another even the side missions. Anyway im just a fan of the series and the 3rd one was just poor :D
It is not the combat that bored me. Compared to part 1&2 the new one didnt have any big NPC towns or cities. The old parts just had a gameworld that felt more "real". Part 3 which had some cool ideas ( loved the battle at Washington Monument) , felt superficial in the end.
What the fuck is The Witcher and Risen?
And why the fuck there is no Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment?
Also, why the fuck Dragon Age is in the list? It's a modern shit game that doesn't compare at all to old masterpieces.
Also, Fallout 3? Three??? Do you understand nothing about RPGs?
I was just commenting on the over exaggerated artistic style I often see in JRPGs which kind of gets on my nerves, but not to a point where my enjoyment of the game actually suffers.
But who cares if the game immerses you and is fun as fuck to play. I played ME1 completely through, whereas I played Oblivion for about 10 hours before dropping it halfway and Fallout 3 I managed to play for about 2 hours before tossing it.
(edit) Oh and I actually think ME2's storyline was quite interesting overall.
The only thing I felt upon finishing the game was "huh, it's over. kewl." I cba to play through it again, because of it's movie-style linearity (?) (and a story that a preschooler could think of).
I really liked the (somewhat simple) combat (apart from my characters shooting into walls !@#$%!). The voice acting / immersion was pretty nice too.
e: oblivion is a totally different game, doesn't lead you by the hand as much (even less with certain addons). The Dark Brotherhood storyline is pretty nice.
Just because a game has linearity doesn't make it bad. Are thrillers worse than action movies because you only have a reason to watch a thriller once, as you know the plot twists the seond time around, while you can watch mindless action movies several times, because explosions and blood never get old?
I guess you and I look for different things in games. I look for the game to be fun and immersive while I play, not after I actually finish it. If a game is really fun and completely draws me in for hours at a time, it's a good game in my book.
It was fun to play, but ultimately unfulfilling. I got to level 31 on my first sitting so I did get drawn in.
Are thrillers worse than action movies because you only have a reason to watch a thriller once, as you know the plot twists the seond time around, while you can watch mindless action movies several times, because explosions and blood never get old?
I'd say that replaying ME is more about the explosions and blood than the plot twists. Besides, it didn't really matter what I do. Kill the rachni queen? Let it go? You still get told off by the same member of the council no matter what you do.
Suikoden 2 would make it to the top of the list just for the scene in which Viki shows up with fork and knife in her hands :P
If there was ever a cattegory called Best Sequel, nothing would come close to that game given all the characters connections and backgrounds.
Still, each time Im asked about best rpg the first thing that comes to my mind is Star Ocean The Second Story.
Like Oblivion, it's a million times better with mods, and with the DLC.
It has it's charm, even though it's a bit easy - but that's where mods come in. FOWE adds realistic damage, nerfed VATS, injuries, fatigue, hunger/thirst, less clear karma lines, etc...
VATS lets you play the game like an RPG. Instead of actually firing at an opponent, you hit the VATS button and time freezes. You can select which opponents to shoot at, and which body part to target. Depending on visibility of that part, distance, weapon skill, etc, you see a % chance to hit it, and it does it all for you. It's fun, and has some cool death animations (HEAD ASPLOD), but it makes it too easy. Example:
With Fallout New Vegas coming out in just under 2 weeks, now is the time to play it.
Your diamond ring won't be digested or broken down, so you can remove it from the turd and polish it without issues other than smell, but wear rubber gloves.
I guess you could leave it in the turd and polish the whole thing, but you'd just end up with a ring in one hand and a big mess everywhere else.
Let's say you did find a way to polish a turd (with or without diamond ring), all you'll end up with is a turd, albeit shiny and probably hard.
My point was that sure you can get mods and addons to make the game incrementally better, but in the end it's still not great and a far-cry from the level of quality of the two first games in the series. The soul of Fallout just isn't there.
but what is a turd if not things that your body has not digested?
Therefore, a diamond ring is as much a part of it as everything else. And when you polish it, i.e. wipe the brown stuff of you have a shiny diamond in your hand.
Well if we're going into semantics, it all depends on which definition you use. If we use this one, you're wrong:
"bodily waste matter derived from ingested food and the secretions of the intestines and discharged through the anus".
Your best counter argument from the start would have been this procedure:
1. petrify turd
2. polish petrified turd
I guess it depends on whether you've played the first two or not, after all it's a matter of taste, but in my opinion it is. I was disappointed by it, and my expectations weren't very high to begin with for obvious reasons.
But then I'm not particularly keen on Bethesda's other games, I find them to be largely boring.
I actually forgot about Fable, the fable games are fun too, if your into a less serious, more cartoony rpg, I've never get deeply involved into the story and the questing tho.
KotOR 1
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 1
KotOR 2 (with a shitload of community patches finally playable)
Alpha Protocol (buggy and ugly, but still pretty cool)
Those were nice back in the day. Also Zak McCracken and Maniac Mansion and so on, but those arent really RPGs either. The old RPGs(like Bards Tale) were rather crap compared to other genres at that time. Altho i played them all.
i got qfg2 when i was 7 years old. never knew the first part. i fought with the game a very long time, i think i finished it for the first time when i was 11 or something.
i also played qfg4 or qfg5, whichever one came out ~1997/1998, but i thought it sucked and never played through.
i loved the "ask for"/ "tell" / "bargain" / "say" / "buy" - and then type stuff-gameplay, and the whole exploring part of the game, plus the humor, even as a kid. i still laugh when i watch youtube videos about the game, even today.
no other roleplaying game has ever provoked so much curiosity, or adventure-spirit in me as this one has. probably has alot to do with the fact that i was very young when i played it.
and i honestly can't believe they later added multiple choice answersn and so on.
a year ago or so i installed some remake of the game, but never got around to play it because the remake also only had the multi choice stuff.
rpgs like daggerfall, oblivion or what they're all called don't stand a chance against qfg2, imho.
edit: i thing it was actually "ask about" rather than "ask for"... ctrl+a :) and atrl+t being "tell about"
ha, fun times
edit2: to answer the other part of your question. i don't think i'd have liked qfg1 as much, just because of the style of the game, walking around in a hero-cape and so on.. qfg2 just had a really awesome setting... one that hasn't come around since, prince of persia obviously doesnt count
qfg 1 has the same style of humor, 3/4 were somewhat similar as well though more about puns I feel like, especially 4. I think part of what you don't like is the transition from command line interfaces. try looking for kings quest/space quest series, they were other adventure series from around the same time.
as for modern rpgs, I've enjoyed some, witcher/kotor 1 weren't bad, but I think it's similar to hollywood movies in that computer graphics have become the driving influence as opposed to characters/storyline and such. so I tend to only buy a few games as a result.
Kings Quest was friggin awesome. so fun. so hard. I remember one time i had to have been over halfway through and i forgot to grab some item at one point...had to start the whole damn thing over
System Shock always frustrates me trying to play it because it barely works with new PCs unless you use crazy settings or run it in an old Windows or something
They seriously need to remake it (and by remake, I don't mean an overhaul of graphics or some shit. Just make it easily installable on new systems)
Commercial success is not a benchmark for the quality of a certain game.
If I remember correctly they were developing PA title that should have been "spiritual successor" of Fallout. These days publishers main focus are the XBOX playing ADD kids.
Ya, seems to be pretty problematic. Gonna try again tonight. Downloaded the non-Ultimate edition + a lot of patches for this and that.
If it fails again, I'm gonna try ePSXe. Do you need a special "ROM"-version for this or can you actually download the PSX-version and mount it via Daemon Tools?
You don't even need to mount it - it can run an ISO directly, I believe. Finding settings that get the game to run correctly in epsxe is just as difficult as getting the PC version to run, though. About the only PSX game I've gotten to run near-flawlessly is FF9.
Did you get it to run properly then? Only problem I have after a couple of tries is that the sound runs at ~half speed during fights, a couple of sounds (battle-swirl, weapon sounds and such) are fucked and the intro is way2long.
Got any experience? I'm using ePSXe 1.6, since 1.7 won't start up for me, and a couple of different sound plug-ins of which I can't remember the names.
Some certain mini-games/gimmicky stuff during the game can become unplayable, if I remember correctly. You need specific settings at certain points, and it's like dozens of tiny tweaks to the options.
I could never even get it to run well enough to start, but it could have been an older version (haven't tried it in a few years). I've only tried FF7, FF9, and Tales of Destiny 2. I didn't test Tales of Destiny 2 all the way through, but FF9 only had one issue on disc 2, which only required you to downgrade your epsxe version, pass the spot, save your game, and upgrade again.
The PC version came out before Square was really established as an international company, so they didn't have the kind of support you'd expect, and the Japanese market all played on console.
All I know is that the game stopped working due to some conflict with SP1, and there was supposed to be some fan-fix, but it was iffy, and newer service packs made it even worse. Trying to get it to work on vista/7 (especially 64bit) would probably be about as fun as getting KOTOR to work on them. =(
Get ePSXe emulator and then the CD files for FF7 (3 discs). I'm not sure how well it's aged but you can make the graphics look a little better with filters.
Suikodens and 2D games in general work usualy good. I say they look best with basic software graphic plugin, no specific api plugins, and no enhancements.
Then again even after so many years some 3D games are way too glitchy, like Vargant Story for example.
RPG's are all about the atmosphere established by its setting and the satisfaction that comes with seeing your characters develop into stronger combatants (usually with more spells and items) over time. Some RPG's also tell a really good story, which is why a lot of people really like them.
Enter a new realm.
Kill monsters and gain experience points. In between you reach a new level which allows you to add or increase an ability (which is not really an ability, but increases only some points, be it hitpoints, healpoints, damagepoints).
Repeat killing monsters until all monsters are killed. Go to Endboss. Kill him.
Enter a new Realm (which is not really different, the terrain only has some other textures and the monsters are still the same but deal more damage and have more hitpoints). Repeat this with every realm until all realms are visited.
Goto Ultimate Endboss. Kill him.
Meh. The gameplay is solid, but I thought its story was a bit over-the-top and the graphics didn't really compliment the atmosphere it tried to project as a 3D RPG. FFIII/FFVI had a better arch villain anyways.
All the Infinity Engine games (Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, etc) have great graphics if you use the widescreen mod to give you access to higher resolutions.
You can't get past old graphics so that you can experience a decent/good/great plot, writing, characters and atmosphere? It's as if you said you can't get past bad production in bm. I am disappoint. :/
I mean, that's as stupid as saying movies and TV shows are boring because you can't interact with the characters in them. Why even post in this thread at all if you simply don't like single-player games?
Well, all the games listed in this thread I guess. Except for fallout 3.
There was a nice one for the gamecube, not sure if it really counts, but lost kingdom.
Also, I liked the RPG like elements in metroid prime and metroid prime echoes. Lots and lots of lore.
But besides that, I'm a huge fan of the elder scrolls series... and to be perfectly honest I do prefer games with good graphics.
The big thing with morrowind is that, it's quite large but the areas are so diverse, whereas in oblivion, all of the landscape is quite similair, and there's only snow when you go up in the mountains.
It isn't because you beef up your character solely through item collection rather than killing monsters to level up -- in fact, there is no levelling up in that regard at all.
Name one game that's officially labelled an RPG (which the LoZ series isn't anyways since it's an action-adventure) that doesn't involve levelling up a character. It's a pseudo-RPG of sorts at best, but having an expandable amounts of hearts, an expandable green magic bar, optional levels and a slew of items to collect in a free-roaming world does not by any means make a game an RPG. The Metroid series and GTA series both have many similarities in how their core gameplay mechanics work to the LoZ series but they're not RPG's either.
Nej. It's a very good game, but i didn't play/want to play/went back to it as much as to those listed above. Also RPGCodex is a bunch of dicks, don't believe everything they say. Xd plz
You can find many of the games listed here at gog.com. You can normally buy them for around 5$, DRM free and the games work with new OS. Personally I would recommend of course Fallout 1.
I can't stand that game, I can't put up with the fight machanics, I could only do that with FF7, I hate the character artwork, the effects and the Japanese/chinese cheesey sounds.
As for further places it is hard to rate one over another, but no FF7 in top 10 or even 20. It is nice to see so many people rating Chrono Trigger high, it is great game, but as far as SNES titles go, I dont think I would rate it over Tales of Phantasia and Star Ocean.
1. Baldur's Gate 2 (alltimes classic, with mods even more awesome)
2. Planscape Tourment (story and world setting is unique)
3. Fallout 2 (freedom :D)
4. The Lands of Lore: The Throne of Chaos (my first good RPG experince on computer)
5. Bioshock (if you put this as an RPG)
Zelda, Chrono Trigger and Baldurs Gate 2 are the three which influenced me the most, but there are many good runner ups out there, like FF or Dragon Age.
Ultima Ascension was a great one. This amazing big world.
At the release time it was a hell af a game, and you needed a PC with 800 Mhz to play it at 30 fps.