what's your point exactly? i highly doubt that those are all "snapshots" taken by random people ... a lot of this looks posed/fixed for obvious reasons.

Well duh, majority of them were propaganda shots, some good photographs in there nonetheless.

I liked e.g the woman in the large sun hat or the two mothers with prams meeting on a snowy street

Weird though how Soviet propaganda always has this kind of melancholy and slightly embarrassing air to it :D

let me tell you what is scary: how communist propaganda is still brainwashing people even today

learn your (real) history russian boy, see what communism was really about..

I wonder who I should believe, everything I know(myself) and everyone I know and respect, or you? Hard one.

Yes! Life under Stalin was milk and honey. Belive none of the bolschewik propaganda comrade!

Yes! Stalin lives! Forever! In the seventies, 21st century and beyond!!!
Idiot.

Rage, anyone? You use happy pics from 70s i use Stalin, was the problem?

It's not my problem youre an idiot.

I can see you are very well, educated... comrade. Your argumentation methods serve as an honor to USSR.

What argumentation are you talking about?
You say "I use happy pics for the 70s", yet I don't use them for anything, I simply link to them, stating in plain text that it's for those who would find them interesting. And uhh what are you "using Stalin" for other then showing your idiocy since he died in early fifties?

Sigh.

i'm having huge problems understanding your way of typing :(

i thought i'd let you know!

your parents might have benefited from the communist regime, but the majority of people haven't

communism turned my country into a 3rd world shithole for sure and i'm getting really pissed off by these young idiots who think they are sleek and find communism fashionable

it always was a shit hole ;[

guess the country that was the first to produce oil from the underground.

haha

It's like totally retro now!

Why'd your family leave if it was sooo great :P?

Probably because they didn't? Or maybe even, and this is a stretch, you would think about the most recent time when Russian standard of living sunk and most people died or left Russia, the years of the awesome spread of democracy before asking something like that.

I do have a very different opinion about that and I highly doubt will share it but I'll post it anyways :)

The way see it is that a country people who are used to communism take a long time until they finally benefit from democracy.

My reasoning is that under Communism there are very strict rules and it quite difficult to significantly improve one's situation.
so people learned to take advantages for themselves even if they are illegal whenever safely possible.
On the other hand they also learned that the state will take care of you and you don't have to put a lot of effort in.

Now when they are confronted with a democratic system they have many more freedoms, but they are still used to the "take every benefit" idea. Which in turn makes people who try to find every loophole get most of the benefits.
On the other hand people who still want the state to take care of them get poorer, because they don't show enough effort.


But in the end after tim of accustoming people get more used to the freedoms on democracy, the police and justicial system gets better at finding loopholes and the majority of people benefit.

Nice writeup, totally conflicting with itself.

if you assume that all people are the same.

So what you're saying is your closest social circles are all in Russia and you can't acknowledge for one second that they have spend decades under a communist regime and maybe just maybe have a very one sided and typically Russian view on the world which is NOT balanced?

If you want to know what real Russia is like take a look at the millions leaving the country to find a better way of life in places like Europe.
Or perhaps take a look at what happens to high powered people who leave Russia and offer a conflicting view of their government? (They end up in body bags or hiding for rest of their life).

Face it, your countries leadership sucks.
It's run by ex KGB/Cossack sluts who still think the rest of the world is twiddling their moustache and hatching plans to "get them".

As a result your GVT keep your people under close wraps and it just alienates your country from the rest of the world.
People will never trust you because theres so much mistrust associated with your country.

I think everyday Russians are a victim of their leadership and until you stamp out your cold war, moronic leadership AND the young blood they have no doubt hand picked to continue that out of date leadership then the future is not good because you need the West far more than your veiled affiliantion with the East, because there is no one else.

ohh man, you never disappoint

Jamerio has said some very stupid things in the past (and probably still does), but here he has a point. Using the "it's jamerio" argument instead of actually considering what he said is pretty cheap.

oh come on as if he considered any post in this journal that contradicts to be possibly true.

contradicts what exactly? I haven't made a single claim here. And it's not my fault a lot of you people are coming out with your opinions based on the dumbest misconceptions ever. What benefit exactly is there for me to go through this stuff point by point when I will gain absolutely nothing out of it? Conversations are supposed to be double sided, for a lecture go somewhere else.
I'll throw you a bone, figure out which socialist parliamentary country has never claimed to be Commustic and get a plus.

for example you asked how you were obsessed with russia.
To which was you get the reply with the avatar, etc. you then claimed that it was obviously only a joke.
However you are still posting several comments in defense of Russia and Communism. Are are those posts also obviously jokes?

I do not post comments in defense of communism here or Russia here. You do not know what communism is. I post comments in retort to what I deem is most nonsensical here, so that someone doesn't come away brainwashed. Posting comments doesn't constitute obsession. Also, bzzzt, no plus.

interesting since you didn't really reply to my other statement about the GDR except that the sowjets did vote to not have it established in favor of a whole democratic Germany. Sound like defense for me.
Even though you did ignore that in the end they did set up a "democratic republic" in their sector, only that it was hardly democratic at all.

Yeah, geez I wonder what they should have done in light of what US and UK were doing by setting up own puppets, leaving all the nazis in place, all in order to add Germany to it's military convoy? Maybe thank Germany for all the war damage and retreat to own borders? And then to disband the whole country for collective world appreciation?

now lets see, since the "one Germany" solution didn't happen one can only assume how things would have turned out.

On the other hand what did heppen in the sectors is that, the three western sectors were combined.
In the west the winners helped get the economy back in shape in hope that the mistakes of the aftermath of WWI were not repeated. Thus helping the "Wirtschaftswunder" to happen.
In the east many factories were dismanteled and moved to other countries a reparitions, which caused the eastern German industry to fall way behind their western neighbours.

Until 1949 both west and east Germany could make their constitutions, both were probably heavily influenced by they respective countries though. However while the votes in western Germany were free from that time on, in eastern Germany always the same paty won with more than 90% of the votes. While that in itself obviously doesn't prove any Russian involvement something else does.

It was't the Amercians or British, or the west German government or even the east German government who decided to bring dow the wall which seperated countrymen and families but that decision was made in Moscow.

yeah ok, jesus christ why am I wasting time here.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1423930#pid1423181

:)

lololol

it's kinda off-topic ;)

wow, just wow.

epic.

word

Sure is intresting , thanks.

you're obsessed with america and russia! !

and russia always looks grey and depressing!

haha, best comment so far.
how am am I obsessed, again? First time I link to any USSR subject matter on this site, ever?

your name, flag, avatar and user picture?

busted ;-D

lulz
edit:because those 3 are obviously for a joke?

not obvious

uuhh have you looked at my profile pic closely?

only a small joke, really.

Doesn't say anything definite about your beliefs.

dude no shit, I'm glad you got it

LOBSTER!!!

fu?

[+]

and the pictures on your profile? and the timezone etc

The truth is in the Black Book of Communism, not your propaganda shots.

They forgot the motherland stautes:
http://www.jonathanmeades.com/joebuilding_pictures/statue.jpg
http://www.andrewlmoore.com/images/photograph...d-Kiev.jpg

that first one is incredible

Yeah, it's almost the tallest statue in the world (a buddah statue in china is a bit taller) AND the nipples are erect and bigger than your head.
Personally I first about these stautes a couple of weeks ago, was a bit shocked because they are far more impressive than the famous statues in America, e.g The Redeemer and Statue of Liberty. Apparently they have really bad marketing!

"..AND the nipples are erect and bigger than your head."

[+]

blame the french for the statue of liberty. we only put it up to be polite.

i even spy camel toe on the first one!

the buddha statue was in Afghanistan until it was destroyed (together with a sceond one) by the Taliban.
Some Archaeologists a planning to reconstruct them though.

Yeah I heard about that.
But I was actually thinking about this statue(yeah, it's in Japan not China). The link I posted below wasn't that great apparently.

wow i wonder how tall are (were?) these

I think this pic should give you an idea:
http://www.brazilbrazil.com/p/pic_201e.jpg
otherwise google.

wow

Actually, that's a bit inaccurate (bloody brazillians). This should be better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statues_by_height
But there's an error in that list, the volgograd one is listed twice. I'm guessing the Kiev one should be the "62 m excluding pedestal" statue.

That buddha is a one big mother. Too bad THE COMMIES BLEW HIM UP. :>

is the mouth of jesus really in the same height as the genitals of buddha ?

Looks like they broke off tho :(

is the 1st of catherine the great?

Spartaaaaa!!!

uh, am I the only one who really finds these pictures scary?

nope

Germans do :)

maybe it's because of our own communist past. i can't really express in english what i feel about people, who try to glorify the GDR in one or another way, but it wouldn't be nice, i tell ya. :)

Give it a fair history, instead of bashing it as totalitarian and monstrous.

yeah, i was talking 'bout glorifying it, u know.

I lived in West-Berlin between '86 and '94. we used to live real close to the boarder and had relatives living in the eastern part. and i can assure you the stories my mum can tell are really scary.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0405094/

Your mom was the actress who was spied on by Stasi and forced to bang the minister of culture? Damn.

YES, SHE WAS!

su :P

<3

Funny how you make it sound like you know a lot about the GDR. Even though in fact as a German Mash surely knows more people who lived in the GDR and no live in democratic Germany.

Who better to bash the old system?
And who would be worse to defend the old system which was initiated by Russians than a Russian?

Hey, another tip!! Find out which 2 out of 3 allies insisted in opposition to the 3rd one on dividing Germany up as opposed to having a centralized government as was democratically chosen by Germans in a referendum and get a plus!!

New Zealand.

Are you really going to try to teach me in German history?

bzzzzz

ok, then you get you chance for the plus.

If they were so pro democrazy why did they install Ulbricht?

Because they obviously weren't democrazy. And I didn't say they were. This is pointless, get a textbook on logic. Last post.

Well, maybe I really didn't get what you meant with your Russia wanted to vote for one democratic Germany (which is a funny interpretation of history btw ;) )

What did you want to say?

I meant to say that USSR is not responsible for any problems you have with the post WW2 set up and at the same time point out UK and US double-faced ruthlessness in disregard for human life and democracy. The only thing that stopped Churchill's from starting WW3 ('operation Unthinkable' declassified in '98, 2) was US wanting to end war with Japan with Russia's help.

hahaha oh man... Until now you were just clueless but now you're fucking delusional.

Here comes your brainwashing. West is far better at propaganda. Have you actually studied history? Read any archive documents, ever in your life?
If you know German history so well, should you know about the UK not disarming full devisions and training them.
This is definitely my last post. /

Newsflash retard: I'm not from the west. I'm from ex-Yugoslavia. A communist country. And I'm actually quite a pro-socialist, many people consider me a dirty commie. :) And you should try reading history instead of reading it from your daddy's KGB manual.

Newsflash retard: you don't have to be from the west to be brainwashed by the West enough in order to ignore documents straight from their governments archives. You should try picking up a textbook on logic.

"I meant to say that USSR is not responsible for any problems you have with the post WW2 set up.."

now go bury yourself.

and you should try to take interpret archived documents from more than one viewpoint.

You do use the word "brainwashed" a lot btw.

they did accept their sector and were involved with it right until 1990.
So yeah they are responsible. Oh and at that point they already had taken most of their reparitions.

And yes I knew of operation unthinkable. But the reason most people have for i is that Churchill found Stalin to be just as frightening as Hitler. Sure that could be propaganda. But then except for the McCarthy era nothing even slightly comparable to killing millions of countrymen happend either in America or England. And he was afraid they would repeat then mistake when they let Hitler go unchecked for too long.
Before you misunderstand me, I am glad that Churchill didn't go through with his plan though. But those solely imperialistic ambitions you seem to imply do sound like propaganda too.

As for war mongering during the Cold War both Russia and America had their fair in that.

"And yes I knew of operation unthinkable. But the reason most people have for i is that Churchill found Stalin to be just as frightening as Hitler. Sure that could be propaganda."
I think so. Take for example that French and UK already had a non-aggression pact with Germany by the time USSR signed one in 39. In June 1941 Truman said "If Germans will be winning, we'll help Russians. If, on the contrary, Russians, we'll help Germans, and let them kill as many of each other as possible" (New York Times). In October of 1942 while Russia was counter-attacking at Stalingrad, Churchill said "We have to stop these barbarians as far as possible to the East". I also don't think he thought of Stalin frightning geopolitically, UK strategists predicted Russia to lose to Germany within 8 weeks.
"But then except for the McCarthy era nothing even slightly comparable to killing millions of countrymen happend either in America or England. And he was afraid they would repeat then mistake when they let Hitler go unchecked for too long."
Stalins repressions are most similar to the Catholic repressions of protestants in early Europe. The difference between forcing political opposition into retirement and into a prison colony is that of the countries social, economic and infrastructural development, and at that time Russia was quite a messed up barely agrarian wreck.

but those religious oppression were historic and the people responsible dead. While Stalin was alive and in power.

Also since Russia did wage war on itself during WWII you can't say for sure what they would do after Germany was beaten.
So they did pose a threat to Europe.

there was a long thread on Stalins repressions already

where?

That you're German doesn't mean that you know history better than a non-German.

So, if something is initiated by some folk, then such a person would defend it no matter what?


Your reasoning sucks, even if one follows your assumptions.

no, but did I say that?

I do believe however that there is a higher chance someone knows the history of his own country better than an outsider.

/edit

you do have to understand my reasoning before you can judge it.

sorry, but I don´t see anything scary or weird or evil about them...
enlighten me, please...

haha, you seem to be lacking the education of your enlightened ESR brethren

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8h0sB_2rJE

But why did you kill him?
It was just supposed to be an exhibition match?

I'm not really sure if anyone was scared of the Russian people. I know what you're "trying" to say, but you fail. If a political system is undesirable, that doesn't mean its people can't live somewhat normal lives.

America is in a bad way now, but, compared to many other countries, it's still quite a pleasant place to live in. That doesn't mean we (and others) don't want to get rid of our current state of affairs. That doesn't mean we AREN'T trying to "install democracy" all over the world and police the world, because we certainly are. And it certainly doesn't mean that, just because our people have relatively good lives, we shouldn't make efforts to stop this 'freedom spreading.'

In principle I agree, especially about what is now being "spread". But I also think you fail to see what is really desirable to make peoples lives good. Of course were not really having a clear basis defined here, so maybe it's 'which desires are possible and how they effect other people'. Anyway, all these things are too personal.

http://img2.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/6/0/a/2/5/6...b_full.jpg
this dude looks just like that one investigator in C.S.I Miami after that old investigator dies

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/RyanWolfe1.jpg

new monument in my hometown
http://agcooper.livejournal.com/74424.html
i can't stop laughing

Bulldog vs Horse

POLOS IZ RULEZZZ!!!11

best comment

I iz plus you

coollers dad http://img2.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/b/1/e/5/1/b...8_full.jpg

and your mother.

rofl

wheres the scary?

they read books and are emotionless people!! :O

USSR was really great.
















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IT'S PROPAGANDA!!!

no shit.

hmm, i wonder whether that horse needed all that detail....

oops wrong comment to reply too :/

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edit: oh how silly iam, i looked up at your flag and i though that was yeltzin post ;xcc

alot of anger in this thread

a good photographer could make finland look good

lmao

why won't you put poland instead of finland? im clueless right now

cus they couldn't do that

ps: idiot

duhhhhhh

post-ussr sucks ass too. fuck i wish i've never been here. but i live here. FUCK!

I found some russian chicks on the bottom of the page
nice
:))

lol since im from one of CIS countries(ex USSR) i have to add my 2 cents, Communism wasnt so bad, it had its advantages and disadvantages. It mostly benefited the undeveloped and poor which is most of USSR with free education and health care but the economy part just sucked. Economic reforms began to late to save USSR.

Comparing KGB to other security organizations they were probably the best.

Imagine Russia without communism, would be a definition of exploitation. Before the revolution Russians were the most exploited people and most of the industry, close to 90%, was owned by foreigners

1970s were the brightest years of USSR, after that all down hill.

Was there a hippie boom in the ussr like in the rest of the world back then?