hahahoaheoehaohaoa where are all the cooller fan boys at for escw??? did some girl break his little heart now????????????????????? Maybe they all left realising q4 isnt very good. GJ to winz and cypher!!

Once again, why can't you just go and die in a fire?

=)

lmao

haaha, cry me a river buddy :)

Once again, your attempts at a come back have failed.

yes, please cry him a river...

he needs it to extinquish his burning corpse!

all the more reason not to cry

very true.

;>

:)

Stunt your life is not necessary...
gg winz
Cypher was quite a surprise :)

@Cooller:Put on your red shoes and dance the blues...

very well done Ivo!!!! /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/

Great game Winz!
Is there anywhere to find ALL demos from Stage 1 till the end?
Only 1/4 finals, 1/2 finals and Grand Final are uploaded.
Can some1 put link, if there is any?
Thanks!

I got pretty much all demos from here: ftp://ftp.esworldcup.com

That was a nice game of CS-Quake on Monsoon. This rail shit is getting ridiculous.

No offense to the parties involved.

No idea what was up with Cooller but he wasn't playing his game at all. He was almost playing like he didn't give a shit, except this is ESWC so that makes no sense.

even cooller can have a bad game

It was worse than simply a bad game tbh. Compare that demo to some of his demos from other recent tournaments. There is no comparison. Forever was playing god awful too, yet he still won. Funny demos :)

probably because he was still drunk from the night before ;)

It actually wouldn't surprise me ;)

I remember asking him if he wanted to come smoke some at 3am, but that's the latest memory I have from that night :(

ohnoes, drugs :(

hehe the dutch weed? =]

Gimme some of that sticky icky icky !

So u sabotaged cooller's performance for the dutch pride?!!!!!!!!11

I thought Forever was playing the game of his life TBH.

He was hitting some crazy rails throughout the entire match. Half of his kills had to be by rails if I remember correctly.

You don't have to play a good game (too bad eh?) when your railing like that.

I agree, Cooller didn't appear to be Cooller buy gg to Forever for stepping up.

Forever was pretty railonly (no offence). I do think that rail in Q4 should do much less damage (=80?). It's just to easy to hit and the beauty called Quake is slowly turning to be shit like CS.

but cs is very popular!?!? I wouldnt mind 10's of thousands of players playing quake :)

id rather they play warsow

you sir have THE word :D

Me too, but probably not for the same reason :p

:P well seeing as they will b in the low skill servs i have no problem with that

you know, it's interesting - real life has also evolved from sword battlefields to sniper infiltration field. quake evolved from basic shooting til somone dies to rail-sniping to stay alive. :o see the interesting accord?

no doubt, use the the most powerful weapon that also happens to be a long range sniper weapon. Safest way of attacking :D

I'm prolly gonna get flamed but 40-50 sounds like the right amount of damage heh.

That's a good amount if the rate of fire of the railgun could be lowered (ie. faster shots, like ut's shock rifle)

The shock is 30dmg isn't it? I used to tear people up with that thing, and I would be worried Q4 would become too hitscan if we increased the rate of fire on the rail.

80 dmg works pretty good for other games WITH air control, WITH a faster engine and WITH faster movement. So now, since everything is slowed down in this game (the Q4 engine was built with less horizontal speed) I can't see anything above 65 being a good thing (Maybe... maybe 70).

People seem to really dig 80, but I personally think it needs to be lower after having a nice time digest the "state of play" thus far. I was previously "for" allowing all of us to SEE what happens with 100dmg. One tourny later, I was like "fuck that" heh.

I'm kickin an old horse though, this kind of thing will never happen.

Hmm..Im afraid shaft damage has to be lowered too...and the RL needs to get more knockback
and.. and.. ;p

The LG just needs to have the 'hold you in place when you are getting hit' crap removed in favor of normal knockback. That along with non-retarded hitboxes would lower LG accuracy to q3 levels.

75dmg + longer reload/recharge time

Rail should do armor dmg only.

yea and it wont do shit when your opponent doesnt have armor...
great thinking there mate

Which makes it a great comeback weapon but a shitty spawnrape weapon. Player who has the control would not just pick up stuff, run and rail anymore because he would do 0 dmg. Thx for the compliment.

"but cooller can beat railonly so it must be fair blahblahblah"

On a normal day you know he can. Nobody could deny that cooller played shit this tourney. He will no doubt bounce back as usual at the next one he attends.

Very impressed with cypher. Him and av3k are both amazing players, age caps on these tournaments is pretty annoying.

ok, then watch the monsoon demo vs hunter or clamp, and then say he's 'not in form'.

"not in my form yet"

Didn't you read what vo0 said? After losing against cypher, who was the best player in this tournament, cooller partied the whole night and the result is this match.
Forever lost 2-0 against cooller in the middle gorup phase, and that is what I would predict in most games between these players.

you mean cooller's excuse for playing bad was partying late? wow, talk about not caring. can't blame him tho, he won everything there is, must be hard to get motivated all over again everytime.

It is hard to keep motivation when you're winning alot.

You didnt allow for the fact that forever played cooller differently in the second game having learnt from the first game. Was cooller not interested, hardly, he perhaps wasnt at 100% for the game, but you shouldnt underestimate how well forever played either.

you know.. i was there watching the cooller vs hunter games live and it really looked like cooller wasn't motivated when playing against hunter on phrantic. on monsoon though.. he was totally on fire and it was 20+ something to 0 until the last few minutes when i left the place. it looked like cooller was just having fun on stage, getting up in the middle of play and blowing kisses towards the spectators cheering for him :) after watching that game, i was really surprised when i heard he lost in the tourney.

err.. solidation?
consolation? brings the whole "what of"-thang to a whole new level.

quake 4 is shite.

you have something in common with quake 4 :D

<3

hah

if i R shit what B U???

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1103274

Watch those and then say that again with honesty.

I found the hyped up monsoon game incredibly BORING. There is not much action going at all, it's just winz sniping with the railgun, and fooki trying to catch him with the shaft. That map is so terribly flawed I predicted this would happen a few times after I played the map. Infact, all maps with a railgun can be so terribly flawed and are SO railgun overpowered yet no one seems to care about a 100 dmg instant hit weapon in 2006 with 1000hz, 2000dpi, smooth cloth surfaces and whatever equipment people have. Yet a rocket which has about the speed of a flying fat squirrel, does 100dmg as well. Something is very wrong in the equation.
Anyways, the only "non-shite" part about that demo is the fact that the game went into an overtime in a very cool way, that's about it for me.

its not like ppl dont care about the 100dmg rail beeing overpowered. its just that after the first month and lots of discussions no mod, nor syncerror could be convinced to change anything. so most ppl acceptet it and adapted (or quit ;))
i still think a 80 dmg rail would be better, but i kinda gave up, as dd most others imho. anyway, im kinda glad that not every second q4 is abou balancing and flame any more...

I think the problem isn't 100dmg per shot, but too big Hitbox so it is very easy to hit. It isn't rare when in some "high-skilled" match have both players 50+% accuracy with rail and that's kind a strange. Remember those times in q3 on some Tournament when someone had rail about 45%, that person was called machine, aimbot, inhuman, godlike etc. But to be honest these accuraties are nothing in q4, the same applies to shaft of course.

Not only the hitbox. Its the equipment that is geting better and the pro gamers play alot more.

If all the pro palyers we have today would go back and play Q3 we would have insane Rail and shaft % ther to.

The game might be rail friendly, but the 100 damage instant hit weapon in anygame nowdays is going to be insane if you have open maps with alot of gaps in them (like the Mega/yellow room in Monsoon).

I think its all down to the maps. They all seem to be quite open, and easy to cover or trap players at the major items. That style of mapping encourages the hit and run style.

Perfect example is RA on monsoon. It's a free rail hit if you know your opponent is going for it. RA on galang is a deathtrap.

i wouldn't try and convince a person that q4 isn't 'shite' by asking him to watch a game on monsoon...

okay i will :)

can't be botherered working out how to get all the paks to watch demos :)

cooller wasnt in form !!!!

He was :P
b4 ESWC he won dreamhack and local russian tourney Permskiy period (+2k$ =] )

But there is interesting fact :
one day in the end of june i was owning everyone on quake 3 online server , then guy with funny nick (can't translate it) came...
after 10-0 in his favor (@#$% surprise 4 me) he told me, that it was cooller. He also told me, that he like q3 much more ;)

So he spend not so many time on training and do it mostly in quake 3 =)))

"He also told me, that he like q3 much more ;)"

Let's face it, who doesn't? :\

forever doesnt... out of all the players who play Q4 =D

toxic likes q4 too \o/

he prefers q4 for duel and q3 for tdm. but how much of that is down to the game and how much of that is down to the money he is winning :D