1st! (i had inside info!)

That should be removed because of it's by far inferior content compared to those which a lot of previous first-posters have contributed! But...? :>

Anyway go tox, etc etc.

"1st" posts used to be deleted on ESR. :)

hehe

Go Mojo

I totatlly had to glance back up at the list to make sure you werent on it.

Me too. Well actually I did it twice.

GOOOOOO!!!!!!
LONG LIVE QUAKE!!!! :D

2ndz

ESR shaping the face of competitive Quake <3

u stole my 3rd spot and I had to edit :(

Did you sleep in? Too bad your cellphone was off :P

rofl

What ze heck you talking aboot?

ah i get it, nvm :*

explain please, I still don't get it :/

(EDIT) Ok, I got it after reading the KODE5 news :)

omg haha :D, rofl!

[+]!!!!

hahhahahaha
[+]

[+] haha

4thest

Toxic
Ztrider
Cypher
Blue
Fox
Forever
Fat1
Stermy or Cooller, cant chose

Based on results I'd take both stermy and cooller over blue. But that would be probably be close to my list yes.

I honestly didn't see av3k in the list. I'd probably put his name at number 8.

Yea I think winz would deserve a spot too, haven't put too much thought in it yet though. :)

winz definitely deserves a spot tbh despite the fact he doesnt seem to be that popular

yea, I'm not into popularity contests tho else I'd pick blue over anyone :P

hope cooller won't oversleep this one too

^_^

To bad its not a proper Q3 tourney, hopefully they will follow cpl and to proper qualifiers etc for it next year. But atleast we have a duel game for now.

This is a bit sad to select q4. I would have enjoy watching duels on GTV. In fact, I mean... select q3 FFS ! GTV ftw !

I must say p2p streaming with Octoshape works fine. Would enjoy it more if the quality was better though, it was clearly too low this week-end.

I've never heard of this before, will check on this, thanks. All I ever had with these comps is stamp-sized streaming where I cannot even read the players names, and pre-buffering every minute.
When you're used to GTV, it's a bit sad.

it is. :)
Well iTG this week-end used Octoshape Streaming, a p2p-based streaming tool which is easy to install and setup. For some reason it worked well on friday but couldn't get it to work anymore in firefox on saturday although I didn't change anything in between.
But it still worked fine in IE so. :)

I had absolutely no buffer whenever I checked ongoing games, my only complaint would be about the resolution which was way too low (still eating 480 kbps of bandwidth so I guess it can't be much better, since not everyone has 1 Mb or more, and the overall fluidity must be limited by our asynchronous uploads too).

was gamesports.de not itg .. tosspot and carmac were casting for gamesports


ps: yes would prefer 750kbit - 1 mbit in terms of quality

OK my bad then. :)

was itg too, thanks.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1183739#pid1183739

was at gamesconvention on thursday and friday but following it via internet i did not notice itg was involved on saturday or sunday.

what i did see was this carmac punk wearing a ggl shirt!! ;-)

so how was itg involved? i might have missed that .. set up a relay?

Redeye casting I-series and WCG UK quals also this weekend.

was very good at KODE5 finals... the quality obviously wasnt the same as GTV but still very good

Forget it. WCG never will follow CPL. Q3's time expired

idiot!

Who ask for you idiot?

Well, after one year of Counter-Strike Condition Zero and one year of Counter-Strike Source, they switched to Counter-Strike 1.6 this year... So you never know :)

beta 6.5 for the win

:/ dont like ALL STARS!
NEED PRELIMINARY tourneys!

wasnt time

u must first FINK, than DO! :P They do, than fink! :)

Preliminaries are expensive to run, this is a way to test the water, I assume. Or have some Quake involved to draw DM people back to WCG.

yeah u right - its expesive, but need more tourneys in poor countrys, so newcomers can show what they can! Not everyone have sponsors and can go to all other tourneys.. :)

maybe a chance for av3k to show somethink?:>

QUAKE 4 ftw :)

GGL Digital Life October 12-15
WCG Invitational October 19-22

hmm, if anyone thought q4 was dead in favor of q3, they better think again

q3 (a 6+ year-old game) has 7 cpl (major) events over the next 3 months compared to just (5) q4 events, one of which is an "all-star" popularity contest, not to mention 1 or 2 others that might not be considered major; i find it odd that you're so easily convinced, at least for the time being.

if it wasnt for cpl q3 would have 0 :)

and like, i so care.

CPL is not enough to resurrect Q3.

die hard q4 fan <3

I reckon he's a sucky UT player imo. Why they always hate on Quake ;(

guess what... it just has for 7 events

q4 : \

Yes Q4!

: \

A great thing happens for quake on a massive scale HOORAH, watch the ESR flames follow....

I can see only one thing massive here, it is the name WCG, which is prestigious. Neither the format of the comp (8...), nor the prize money (<CPL), nor the number of spectators (no GTV...) will be anywhere near massive.
Still, it is great, as it is a sign of recognition from a stable pro-gaming organisation.

Pretty cool thought that the esr people get to chose the compedators, massive =)

No.

q4 (and it's ilk like pk, d3) are retarding the progress of professional DM gaming.

ESR fanboys getting to choose a few competitors doesn't make anything "massive".

You are wrong, the number of spectators at the event will be huge, as will those tuning via internet TV and live to mainstream TV.

Its an amazing thing to happen to quake, regardless of prize money, player amounts or rule set.

This post is a perfect example of why ESR blows my mind sometimes. No Quake at WCG and everyone says "WCG sucks". They bring it back at short notice in the best possible way they could with the time available and you get a post like this.

I did say "wait for the flames"....

Sure its not perfect, but get used to the fact that very little if anything will ever be perfect in life.

Adequet, but simple, informative but obviouse. n1

well, you should get used to the fact that people reactions not always are perfect (like many things in life!)
:)

I wasn't after perfection, just a reasonable response, which is not hard is it?

More like people have always something to whine about.

The "whine" word is really overused these days. Of course Kraal is complaining, but he's not beeing a crybaby, he's just stating facts on which I happen to agree.
It could be better, and we can ask for more than that. Contenting ourselves with that will only lead to no improvement. :)

You're giving to much weight to the word 'whine', crybaby is not what I ment. Also it wasn't a comment regarding KraaL, but in general people always needs something to whine/complain about.

well how do you call someone who always need something to complain/whine about then ? =)

something is better than nothing, and this is more than we could have asked for considering how long quake has been out of the WCG loop. i think you're wrong about this not leading to any improvement, because if this is a successful all stars event, then it could only get bigger and better. has everyone forgot about the "first" WCG in 2000? based on its success the rest followed. taking quake out, was, in my oppinion a mistake but that was based on more than on just a quick decision to take it out, as other things had to play a part in it.

Please turn the gamma up for your video streams. It's annoying as hell when the best ingame vision/quality comes when the camera switches to show the gamers monitor.

Everyone/majority of people watching on the video stream are gamers, we couldn't give a shiney shite about how good a dark full quality Q4 looks - use a competition players config.

Well, the reason why we don't have so many positive comments is quite obvious. They chose Q4 over Q3.
You're quite objective in most cases, but your sympathy for Q4 makes you blind on this one. WCG is supporting the pro's game. So, there will nobody besides the pros and their fanboys cheering for it.
However, what I really hope for is that this decision brings back some life into Q4. New players, new maps, please.

This got a little longer than i planned it to be, but i still felt it was important.

"WCG is supporting the pro's game."

No, what the WCG is choosing is the publisher's game and the game that will bring more +EV $ to them (business decision).

One look at the list of games on the WCG's site over the past couple years is enough to see that it's mainly a SC/WC3 tourney with other random, newer games selected as sideshows used to attract more attention, that have no real competitive value nor community, and were never made with any kind of game-theory goal in mind in the first place. Most of them lobby'd, so to speak, by various publishers and corporations in the industry.

Lots of people play halo2, they pick halo2. How convenient that it's on XBOX LIve, obviously MS is pleased with that. Lots of people play cs, and it has a decently organized competitive community (which was standardized by the CPL) so they pick cs. etc, etc, etc. And of course certain publishers and corporations want certain games used at the WCG; it's big advertisement, why not? Activision is a huge company; ID tried to prevent the CPL from using q3 over q4 with their bloated 1.3 hype-release. So why wouldn't Activision/ID also not want the WCG using q3 over q4 too? If WCG wants to use an Activision game, what good is it for Activision if they use one that isn't on American shelves anymore, and doesn't need state of the "art" hardware to run (i.e. q3)?

I mean do you all even realize that Samsung runs WCG, just to get basics out of the way. To them state of the "art" (Lol.) games look better on their state of the art hardware.

also pay attention to the fact that WCG has Always been at odds with CPL, including in 2001 scheduling a tourney event on the same dates as CPL, months after CPL already had the date decided. Not really insinuating anything here, but just try to pay attention to everything.

The whole video game industry is down the shitter. Developers are completely bound to their publishers, and willingly allow themselves to be. Hence there hasn't been any mass distributed FPS game in 7 years as good as q3. Even q3 was a flawed game when it came out; but in contrast to the flawed FPS games that get released now like pk, q4, etc, it is just pathetic.

This downward spiral is noticeable in almost all genres in the industry, and even whole genres are spawned because of it (the sims nightlife?). It's a market trend.

Hence if this whole DM scene and concept wants to move forward and not fade away into extinction like the dinosaur, at this moment it needs to be up to people like us who realize that all these guys want is money, and don't really have any real grand vision or interest of how to get people, on some sort of broad level, to understand the skill, talent, intellectualism, and excitement behind playing and being good at these games like Quake 3.

Because obviously if they did, they would have picked Quake 3, since one look at any game-traffic statistic shows that at least 10x more people play Quake 3 compared to Quak4, just like you could estimate that 10x more people know who ZeRo4 is rather than Forever.

Since one look at the whole mess of Quake 4 is enough to see that most people don't want to deal with even getting the shoddy, ultra-needy software installed.

Since so many people who casually play other games like BF2 often spectate big Quake 3 games anyway via GTV, and highly enjoy it.

Since Quake 3 demos again get downloaded 10x more than Quake 4 demos, since people cant even run q4 demos, since ID has damn near abandoned q4 without having fixed some of the most important features almost a whole YEAR later, since Q3 has a talented programmer like arQon right behind it CONTINUING to fine tune, update, and work on everything necessary both for it and leagues like The CPL despite the game being 7 years old, ETC ETC ETC.


At this stage there is simply No reason to pick q4 over q3 in Any tournament, or really any other game for duel FPS for that matter. ESPECIALLY if you care about the growth of the genre.

Jamerio'd ?

Don't ever call me that again.

or else ?

It's a compliment for Cloud.

don't pay attention to him, he's a troll

Troll with game skills are hard to diss though :(

Cloud?

why is he a troll? what did he say wrong?

what does "saying something wrong" have to do with being a troll?

exactly.

beat me to it :<
kill the 'd tho next time

like you said in the begining of the essay, this is really a SC/WC3 event, they dont care about other games (condition zero for CS?); Samsung runs it and major gaming channels televise WCG in Korea (no place for FPS). they dont care about North America/Euro scene, it's smaller in advertising value compared to the mass audience of OGN/MBCgame/WEG channels.

I will partially agree with you here - Quake 3 vanilla is a piece of shit. Always has been, always will be. It took a dedicated group of gamers to make Q3 what it is. The community made GTV, not iD. You don't see anyone doing shit though, only whine.

Heres how I see Quake 3 vs Quake 4.

Lets say in 1999 I bought a Camaro SS - I love this car and make it my baby. I install headers, stereo, bore the intake, and put a super charger under the hood.

7 years later I decide to upgrade to a 2006 Corvette. After a week of driving the new car I decide it isnt worth it.

My old car with the mods has just as much HP, better sound system, and rims - why would I want to switch to something "not as good".

What I don't take into consideration is the time and effort I put into the Camaro. In the long rin, the corvette has much more potential but my tunnal vision is clouded and I want it now, without effort.

I have stopped arguing with Quake 3 players (q4 haters) on this subject. Most of them haven't even reinstalled after 1.3 + q4max.

This community has MADE Quake 3 the best DM game out there period.

We haven't even tapped into the possibilities of what Quake 4 can do, and most of you have already turned your backs.

Quake 4 out of the box sucks, its getting better after each q4max update and publish though. Its time to stop bitching at eachother and make shit happen.

Last night we had our 1st ever CTF comp and the games were amazing.

Brothers in Europe, rise up and get the Q4 scene rolling, its only a matter of time before this game becomes fine tuned into the DM powerhouse its meant to be.

This isnt going to happen with you hugging Q3 sack on the side lines. Rise to the occasion, thats all I ask.

I don't work for iD or have ties to activision but if money and glamour is the only thing motivating this community I will try to get prizes for whoever can make the best Q4 1v1, TDM, and CTF maps. You would be shocked as to what some of these PC hardware companies are willing to do for us provided we show an interest.

no matter what you do to Quake4 through modifications, the engine will be capped at 60fps.

totally agree with you. but then again why not enjoy both?:D

I'm very satisfied with the WCG move, but not with your first post, which despises the esr community, like famous people like to do.
I was at ESWC, and I appreciate the WCG move *to its right value*, thanks.

No.

q4 (and it's ilk like pk, d3) are retarding the progress of professional DM gaming.

Furthermore KraaL said it was 'massive' in the aspect of the WCG name, everything else is just another q4 tourney.

Everything he said was true.

Those who do nothing always whine on those who do something.

still better than no fps-shooter as maindueling-game like the last (2?) wcg('s)

I agree, wtf is with people sometimes, this is really happy news, and people just whine =)

^^

cant wait :)

if cooller goes and shows up late make sure u DQ him, 3 times in 2 events now. if he hasnt learned then continue to punish until he does!

Yay, Q4 ftw :)

nice to see that WCG uses FPS again

Good to see it included but why oh why a public vote ? It's then a popularity contest.

Aren't there a set of stats kept with rankings for Quake 4, why not just take the top 8 from there ?

Wait for the preview to be posted. It contains all results from Q4 lans, money won, rankings and then written preview to help use ALL of that info (not just stats) to decide.

Fair enough :-)

Stephen is geting my vote for sure.

cpt>jhb?

\0/ Quake 4 FTW !!!!!!

looks like fun, now all we need is gtv (yeye 1798728357th comment :P) and i can do an allnighter spectating tourneys again o/

Mayb a bit offtopic but the fact that there is still no GTV for Q4 is mayb not that bad, because now the other methods of following Q4 live are getting better every day. (streaming video for example)

and streaming video by just clicking / loging in on a site (if improved a bit) is so much beter for the non active playing Q4 players to watch and that is what sponsors / organisations need. Exposure exposure and again exposure.

I hope somebody can follow this because my english is not good :( cheers

well tbh, streaming video is farrrr from good, tho heading the right way that is true. gtv still allows proper fullscreen following of games, and with new technology (multiview ala q3 cpma or smt) stuff can be far more isteresting compared to streaming stuff (quite low reso/quality, less buffering tho <3 itg) oh and ur english is fine :>

Off topic: kevz sletje ;x

On topic: The stream and that bad imo, but they should place cam's on both players screens so that you can see how the players play config wise, and the quality will be better that way.
Atleast that was the case while watching Kode5 where they put on the 'playerscreen cam' from time to time.

lal fug:P

well ive missed kode5 cuz ive started playing wow again, so was afk for a week basicly till i started up ff and saw the esr link in the bar :P
but srsly tho, the doom3 engine is spose to be an enhanced quake3 engine, and q3 had gtv, sooooo wheres q4 gtv? =p

like i care :P
i prefer stream :)

Fugiman !! :) I also prefer stream.. but there is indeed place for some improvements.

Yo toneh!
when they focus the playercam on the monitor, it actually looks pretty damn good ;)

carmack said d3 engine is much more SP focused, so it's not really an "enhanced q3 engine" otherwise they would've just done an engine update for the q3 engine :o

Nice \o/

Q4 :D

q4 :/
but i want to see k1ller there!

samesamesame!

hooray for q4 \o/
and gogogog k1ller

[e] not same :> but close

very good. now q4 can get his attention and hope this makes q4 more populair

It's a pity ukrainian player Hunter is not invited., i think he's worth

That was pretty much due to his non-apperance at major events such as wsvg etc.

yeah agreed, although there are alot of people who should be given a chance so that could make it quite a huge tourney :P (tho i dont mind that but the cpl prolly does)

There were alot of players close to getting picked (i think you know who you are) but we wanted to keep the amount of players from certain countries down, so that upcoming players from smaller quake nations get a chance.

I hope hunter was among 'close to getting picked' =)
What about creating waiting-list of players replacing those who will renounce to participate?

well i would be surprised is 8 out of 20 cant come :)

ummm, suuure

quake 3 would have been a better choice! and don't say it wouldn't have, because you know it's true

Quake 3 is a 7 years old and boring game. It is not 1999 now. It is 2006

well most of the site disagrees with u so stfu? u are very much in the minority.

"Quake 3 is 7 years old" > It is a fact
"It is not 1999 now. It is 2006" > It is a fact
"Quake 3 is a boring game after 7 years" > WCG know that

"most people would rather q3" is a fact
"q3 has been out 7 YEARS and still has more players than q4 (out 1 year)" is a fact

"q3 is a boring game" NOT a fact, and considering so many people think q3 is a lot more interesting than q4 u are just totally wrong. u can have ur own opinion but we don't need to hear it 100 times after any person mentions q3.

The point is the time. It will help of Q4 and It won't help of Q3 ; )

gibberish.

LoL Hams, go buy a new cpu :p

Yes that is his only one problem with Q4 ;D

heh, i still wouldnt play q4 u tit. i'de like to give quake wars a try tho :)

You cant afford to like Q4 :p

LoL

actually, dunno when it was, but it was some weeks ago, and there was more ppl playing q4 1.3 then it was CPMA Vq3

more people in q4max than in q3 cpma vq3?

yes... 1.3 > q3 imo

yes

yea, ideally right when CPMA was first officially adopted as the replacement to OSP, before servers even started converting to it! and still probably isn't true.

Real important statistic you got there!

so youre calling me a lier ?

and as im writing this there was 4 (!) players playing the mod CPMA in europe on maps that are not CPM maps according to my ASE, while there's 8 (!) players playing q4max..

Obviously WCG made the right choice since they picked a game with twice the playerbase compared to q3

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/


Quack4 beaten by tribes 2

i trust ace + www.q4.se mroe then fucking gamespy

hahaha :D

That it's an old game doesn't matter at all. And that it's 2006, not 1999 matters just as little.

make small maps for Q3 and you'll get your action aswell :p

i think q3 > q4
so wat does that say about the majority of the site!

<[_]Dird> http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1187557#pid1187557 [+]? ;o

That you're a plus begging whore? :P

no vote for P4 now

g1 HamstaHue :>

i'm glad you know what year it is. it makes little difference how old quake 3 is because that doesn't change the fact that it is a better multiplayer platform than quake 4. plus, look at some of the most popular mp games still being played today (cs/sc). if the fact that quake 3 is from 1999 is your main reason for picking quake 4 over it, then that's pretty sad.

Yes Q3 was the king for 7 years. It had 1000000000 comepetitions etc.. but it is an old buffer now. Take notice it. How far should comepetitions use it? 10 years? 100 years? No. Every game has an average life. Q3's life is expired. Just see Q1, Q2. They were nice games and thousands of players played them. They are aged now.
Q1 and Q2 vegetate nowadays. Q3 the next one, then Q4.

Q4 has 6 years to be as good as Q3 is, expect Q5 will be out in 1 - 2 years.

difference is, Quake1 and Quake2 were replaced by better games :]

Really excited about this :D

q4 1.3 is lovely :D

(beats vq3 bigtime)

tru.dat

no fake comments plz :>

fake??

yes, it's untrue

Matter of opinion...

lol plz...

You don't like CPM, I do, you don't like q4, I do, you like vq3, I don't.

you forgot one thing: q4 sucks, and 1.3 didn't bring what everyone needed

I like q4, q4 sucking is subjective, but I think the good live streams(lately) in combination with a much more fun game to spectate outweighs q3 advantage of GTV.

you are obviously biased when you just mention GTV in connection with q4

I think q3 is superior techwise, netcode, gtv & performance.

I think q4 is superior gamewise.

Yes, I am biased, I like q4 better, but I have no ulterior motives except watching and playing the game. Did I say anything else?

Very nice initiative I didn't expect it anymore from WCG. Too bad it isn't quake3 but you can't have it all can you?:D:)

ye )=

Ph4ntom + Phox

go esr!

hope theres a good stream to watch these games on <@:)

well itg are casting WCG so i think it'll be good if the i28 stream is anything to go by.

good stuff <@:)

Goo clamp-ok you have my vote

AWESOME!!! xD

--EDIT--

toxic
cooller
Ztrider
Cypher
stermy
Forever
TooGood
fox

Based on their activity and placings:
Toxic
Cooller
Forever
Cypher
Av3k
Stermy
Clamp-OK
Fatal1ty or fojji

Didnt list:
Ztrider: Dont know how much Q4 he is playing now, all I remember is he refused to play K5.swe cuz he hadnt been playing much.
TooGood: Dont know how his RSI recooperation is going
Winz: Havent seen him since WSVG Summer

If all 3 were active would switch them with the bottom 3 from above.

ztrider ftw! I think he didnt play because he had no sleep or something? he placed 3rd at qcon (1st in 2v2) and 3rd place CPL Summer.
\o/

u love him ?? :D

its your choice, i wont name any names on that list, but theres players on that list playing less then i did before k5 and qcon

2gd spent his time wanking?

Would it really suprise you?

muahaha
i think i used to have that channel

so this is the big tournament in europe tosspot talked about this weekend! that is awesome, two big quake tournamens in such a short time in europe.

where is OoZe?

Beleive me it was a VERY close call, but as i said above we wanted to keep a spread of different nations.

why isn't croatia in it then ? edit : not meaning myself but pay.

coz theyre all shit

Do you always say the first negative thing that pops to mind for the sake of being a cynic on this site. Dont reply to this for the sake of having the last word either. That was a rhetorical question.

well he hasnt proven himself in any event afaik.

lol :)

you tell me what lan events he has attended then.

im not attacking you i just lold because pay dont even have the opertunity to attend something because of funds. but you are saying spread of nations thats why i mentioned it. you dont need to get all personal with me now ben keep ur pants on! :> -x-

it wasnt meant to sound personal, but you have to understand we cannot please EVERYONE <3

WELL YOU COULDVE AT LEAST PLEASED ME! :(

:)

didn't pay take down a fair few good players during the eurocup? I remember him smashing someone down on phrantic.

How many other close calls were there?

2 or 3

why couldn't the list contain 25 players then so everyone could vote for their favourite players :)

i know its a shame, but this is what wcg wanted.

Originally it was going to be a vote with 16 players, but we pushed it to 20.

OMBFG schock!!

hunter is missing :o

toxic,
av3k,
cypher,
cooller,
fox,
winz,
stermy,
2GD,

it should be these 8

?????? ztrider ??

yes ztrider or 2gd then :)

blue over the last three tbh.

Toxic
Ztrider
fox
Cypher
av3k
Forever \o/ (remember to shake hands :>)
Fatal1ty
k1ller
Cooller

8 from them 9

Yes, I am active.

n1 making it harder ;[

Its a shame fox, I think that papers f**kup is gonna cost u a place in this.

Atm I'm going with this:

Definites
Toxic
Cooller
Ztrider
Cypher

Maybes
av3k
Stermy
Forever
Winz
Fooji
Fat

I think av3k is going to get an awful lot of soft votes cos of his age and the fact he can't compete in much. Are you in the sort of shape to beat many of these?

I've only had one non-top3 finish this year :P

how many finishes is that out of?

I'm talking international events now fooji

its fojji -_-*

YOU ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST DEMO, FOX!

or the last demo people remember: it's a fast, cruel world ;(

I remember two great demos from fox. Hardly ever seen any demos better than those, so.. :P

i dont see why cypher wud be a definite over av3k
him and winz @ eswc had powerfully fuelled cfgs
in qcon, an event where both competed with no custom cfgs av3k finished above cypher, finishing 4th after losing to ztrider by 1 frag

and hes so damn cute! :*

and im passive so we could have a good relations then could be married, who knows <3 =)

Toxic
Cooller
Ztrider
Cypher
Stermy
2gd
k1ller
av3k

Based on results and their native country. If it wasnt because of the great results by ztrider lately i would have picked someone from another country, like garpy or av3k.

toxic
cooller
stermy
ztrider
winz
Lost-cause
forever
cypher

fox, garpy and av3k just outside of the list.

Dont know why you guys picked so many americans. What i have read in interviews with them, most of them dont even practice the game enough to play on a high level.

But i guess its very hard to pick 20 elite players, i know i couldnt have done a better job. Great done with the previews and im happy for you to be involved in the WCG.

Great work!

very nice..

the wcg is still the most outstanding tournament and i think it was the right decision to pick q4 over q3.

so good luck and have fun for all the participants :)

for example my choise would consist of these following players:

Toxic
Cooller
Cypher
av3k
Ztrider
Stermy
Fatal1ty
k1ller :P

WOOOOOOOOOT
KILL4444RRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHhh

Nice stuff, but I was under the impressiion that Winz, Socrates, Cl0ck were no longer playing??

Then again off the top of my head I can't think of many more replacements.

P.S.

Would be nice to see Av3k, K1ller, Cypher and clamp gettig more chances, but it's obviously gonna be the usual suspects.

GOGOGO AV3K!!

OoZe should have been amongst the chosen sweeds imo.

this is really good news

great news! nice to see the return of dm fps games to the wcg. also glad to see esr being involved in this. \o/
gj for the player profiles btw, noone here mentioned it here yet, but they are fine.

1. Toxic
2. Ztrider
3. Cooller
4. av3k
5. Fatal1ty
6. Stermy
7. Winz
8. Cypher

good luck and vote for the brits!!!

so now :>
get teh q3 back ? mhm? great? mhm mhm nice.

There have been so few tournaments with all major Quake 4 players attending (CPL Winter?).
The only one who I could vote for is Toxic, I would have no clue who should be considered for the other spots, you could always find a reason to include or not include a player over another with this year`s tournaments (or lack of). Even someone like Rocketboy could be a potential top 8 Quake 4 candidate.

Oh well, it just a bonus tournamnet and one should not take it too seriously.

"Only registered users may take part in this vote, however Registration is free and easy."

thought last time the vote got skewed when people not part of esreality were allowed to register and vote

correct, but I think it's still alot better than letting anonymous users vote, or disappoint all new unregistered users by not allowing them to vote at all.

uhm

how do you cheat-proof this?

if you all just think back to the "greatest gamer" poll where the russiam horde of lemmings made polos rise through the ranks.. what's to keep this from happening again ?

edit: solution - make it so that people registered after today won't be able to participate.

hhmm, sounds like a good idea although it would be mean Sujoy having to do more development on the site for the sake of 1 poll.

as you probably won't see the results anyway until the deadline it wouldn't need any special development ;) just a one time query to the database at the deadline :) and only count those that registered beforehand.

IIRC there were already such statistics on the 'usa eswc representative poll' or another one.

after the votes sujoy can still filter out those votes if there are problems for example

Toxic
Cooller
av3k
Cypher
K1ller
Lost_Cause
Socrates_
Stermy

i cant believe so many people are picking forever. not only does he quit midgame, look at his results

2006 Quakecon : 9th-12th
2006 Intel Summer : 9th-12th
2006 WSVG Kentucky : 9th-12th

there are far more worthy players out there

how many people did defeat cooller (on stage) this year?

thanks

4

how many people managed to finish ahead of forever at at least one lan tournament?

for defeating cooller, a 3rd place at eswc, and a presence in top12 of each event he attend, he deserves a top 20 spot, at least.

I'm not a big forever fan, I would'nt pick him, regarding to the other players present in the top20, BUT, I do think he has his place in top20, am I wrong?

yes forever is a top 20 player but not top 8 imo.

eswc is always a bit odd because of single elimination after the second groupstage and the amount of players certain countries send. sweden and korea should send more players for fps and rts games for example.


ps: i had to edit my post before because esr was down when i tried to edit that one after posting and seeing that i forgot about socrates.

toxic
cooller
ztrider
cypher
k1ller
2GD
Fatal1ty
fox

another 5,500 for tox

av3k and Lost_Cause should be in aswell, but i would like to see fox play again, especially after that qcon mess.
Hope 2GD will overcome RSI in time.

Some iceclimbing in the 2v2 would be awesome.

Remember if tox wins, then he teams up with the 8th place player. Will he definitely win the 2v2 in that case?

I did not read that part and thought of ic teaming up.

Out of my picks he should be able to win with almost anyone, though.
Only Cypher played rather bad @qcon 2v2, but iirc he did not take that any serious at all. Besides I have no idea how good k1ller plays q4 2v2.
My other 5 picks have all shown great 2v2 games @qcon or are fox :p

why wud u place cypher over av3k?
him and winz @ eswc had powerfully fuelled cfgs
in qcon, an event where both competed with no custom cfgs av3k finished above cypher, finishing 4th after losing to ztrider by 1 frag

bias :D

"powerfully fuelled cfgs"

i'll admit it, i lol'd

Indeed fox really deserves a spot after the qcon mess

i should be fine to play in wcg, will only need anotjer week on drugs n stuff!!! :) not playin is frustratin though, watching kode5 was making me wish i was there :) are demos up for that yet btw?

http://ingame.ingame.de//demobase/index.php?a...mp;cid=190

in case you haven't found them yet

imo its

Toxic
Cooller
av3k
Cypher
K1ller
ztrider
Stermy

someone from the usa
socrates/chatoicz/fatality/lost cause should play for the remaining spot

1. av3k
2. Cypher
3. Ztrider
4. 2GD
5. LC
6. Blue
7. Toxic
8. Socrates_

Didn't pick cooler coz he will forget to come to the Tourney, and didn't pick Forever coz when he loses to Tox in the 1. round he will start to cry and lose every other game, including the 2on2 TDM.

Yarr.

socrates doesnt even play

1.Johan "Toxic" Quick
2. Anton "Cooller" Singov
3. Alexey "Cypher" Yanushevksy
4. Jason "Socrates_" Sylka
5. Ivo "Forever" Lindhout
6. Michael "Winz" Bignet
7. Johnathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel
8. Marcel "k1ller" Paul

when Pro evolution soccer esreality action for add to WCG? :D

very hard to pick 8 players. it should be 16 :/

anyway winz got my vote :p

so I assume there will be a poll later on?

read the post

yeah it says the voting begins tonight, but I was a bit confused since the wcg channel was given and there is no mention about a poll in the post.

the poll will open tonight at midnight gmt

at midnight

Toxic
Cooller
Ztrider
Stermy
winz
Fox
Fatality
Cypher

imo!

I differ in Fatal1ty for Lost Cause

also, fat has proven a lot, lc is for me better with his excellent final in his first competition. The difference isn't that important though for me, but it is for them...

tbh, who ever goes, this promises to be one hell of a tourney!
so gg whoever is responsible for this.

p.s. vote for Ph4ntom! :)
this is one of the rare occasions he can have a chance to prove him self (beaning from afrika and all:))

If you won't inlcude av3k I'll steal your internet! xDDD

tbh, av3k hasn't done enough to merit selection. But he has a good chance because of sympathy votes cos hes so young.

He finished top 4 in the only major competition he was able to attend. Beating among others Fatal1ty, 2GD and Blue. He won smaller LAN events as well, beating the likes of Forever and Rufus.

If anything his lack of tournaments is a reason to vote for him as it gives the scene a chance to see a player they will rarely see in action otherwise.

okok u made me actually laugh
i will vote now for av3k beside others ;D

I've stolen Ini's internet during Qcon games, go ask him. I'm dead serious! xD

The deciding map, if required, will be chosen by the player with highest frag count over the two previous games or a coin toss if frags are tied.

Could be a problem for those, weak on Placebo (read: cooller).
Winning Phrantic vs. someone defensive rarely gives you enough frags to choose 3rd map after getting destroyed on Placebo.

he has 2 months to learn it :)

great =)

pleaso stop the "pick ****! he really deserves it".
every player in the poll deserves it in one way or another. there can be so many reasons why a certain player deserves a spot.
one had bad luck in another tournament (eg. fox), one cant pay travel expenses on his own so its the one and only chance to participate in a tourney, one has trained very very much and put very much effort in becoming better,...and so on.

you know whats my point. WE cant decide who "really deserves it". just because we dont know every detail and -even more important- because you cant countervail the reasons against each other.

we just can vote for the players we want to see in the tournament for different reasons.

yep. :)

then [+] me damn!!




joke =)

Quake4 for WCG 2007 maybe?!??!!!

yes!!!!!!!!!!

UT2007 for WCG 2007

q4 & ut2007? :)

ill think about it

it's gonna be hilarious when ut2007 comes out and people will find out that it's not what they have imagined.. as always

atleast itll still probably have utv b4 quake 4 gets gtv :P

quake 3! ;)

no

8 players is not very much for such a well known and big tournament. (better than no quake tournament like the last years)
i think esr should really argue about 16 or more spots, because on this playerlist all players are strong and should be invited !
- if thats not possible i hope this will be an all vs all tournament format ! otherwise its too short for a wcg game to spec.
other more new and before unknown games got more big scenery at wcg, dunno they should think about what quake stands for and how long some of the players on this list are playing quake. then raise the spots :)

to compare
2001 - 60 players q3
2002 - 51 players q3

and next year q3 again with 60players

If we get good comments and lots of positive feedback from the tournament then I'm sure they will try to include Quake or another fps dm game for next year. Results speak for themselves, so we just have to make sure this works really well and that people enjoy spectating the games.

1. me
2. me2
3. my cousin
4. my girl
5. my mom
6. my gramma
7. my computer
8. av3k

kthxbye

kyourewelcomebye

your gramma would take that one for sure.

(though it would be kinda irritating for the commentators going like: "freak absolutely raped his mom on placebo"
omg)

:DDDd silly

I dont see Krysa in that list ... wtf?! :o))

cause at least 30 euros are better than him?

Yeah, cash is always better, than Rats :))

lol :>

holy mother peeeeeeeeeeeeep, this is rock, respa, no comments (happy) :)

Popularity contest? It's good to involve the community in this kind of thing, but it'll be very difficult to get every voter to approach it in a non-biased manner :(

Between the community as a whole though I think we'll be able to pick a good 8 for the invites, gl all.

Mojo
Mojo
Mojo
Mojo
Mojo
Mojo
Mojo
Mojo



Tell me I'm wrong?

you are wrong.

sry...

Mojo will lose :/

<3

Johan "Toxic" Quick
Anton "Cooller" Singov
Alexander "Ztrider" Ingarv
Alexey "Cypher" Yanushevksy
Maciek "av3k" Krzykowski
Jason "Socrates_" Sylka
Magnus "Fox" Olsson
Johnathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel

Great tournament !!!

soc and cl0ck dont want to play q4 anymore, so..

1. toxic
2. cooller
3. ztrider
4. cypher
5. av3k
6. 2gd
7. Clamp-ok
8. lost-cause/stermy

i'd like to see clamp av3k and cypher all go since they cant attend wsvg and most other tournies due to age

even with 1.3?

yeah, soc cant practice at all and wants to play q3, and clock may be done with gaming for good but definitely wont be q4

soc will play

wat about fat/forever? the tournies clamp has competed in he hasnt done very well from wat i remember

Would have prefered Q3, but it's great to see quake back in WCG regardless...

how is lost-cause overrated? He has done well vs everyone in every tournament and has nice finishes. Gd anti-american nazi's. Now cl0ck on the other hand. Who the hell knows how he got on that list.

welcome to the land of 'all-americans-suck-except-czm-and-zero4-and-then-they-suck-to-cooller-toxic-and-z4muz'

nah, i had a lot of respect for Paco too!

are you the paco guy who is ALWAYS spamming on gtv ? :D

no, god forbid! it's just an old quakecon thing

clampOK - is he playing for Australia or USA?

huh? its not a nations cup :>

Australia.

goood :D

Selecting Q4 over Q3 its the most stupid decision ever. Only Ver1tas and the other 6 blind fanboys (+ a possible other 3 or 4 raged CPM players that will play anything but VQ3 only for the sake of it) will aprove that.

"Ver1tas:
Forget it. WCG never will follow CPL. Q3's time expired"

People said exactly the same about the comeback of Q3 to the CPL. At the end of the day, they realized the obvious superiority of Q3 over Q4. Yes, it is a 7 year old game, but its still the best platform you can find for competitive 1v1, like it or not (and the "why" arguments of Q3 being the better game has been discussed so many times that, if at this point you still don't get it, you must have a personal hate to the game for whatever reason (being beaten by 40 -2 by more experienced players its a common reason).

What made so big CS and SC was (appart from CS being more newbie friendly) its that events didn't switched to different games every year or two, they let the game develop. Q3 has to be the standard 1v1 DM game, and if events stick to it and arQon keeps supporting CPMA (including the VQ3 side, obviously) the game will grow with time. But only if events stick to Q3 for today and for the years to come. Doing so, the game will start to building itself a respectable history. A standard 1v1 game its the only way to make people take more seriously the esports thing, and that game its Q3. If you think deeply, you know it makes sense.

Please, ignore/avoid the classic stupid counterarguments as:

- People has been playing for 7 years now, only those will keep winning. Theres no room for new players!

What about SC, CS, or even Tennis. Chess? They changed things to fuck up veterans and leet new people come to the top? Just stfu and start training. If only the same 3 or 4 persons are always at the top its only because the game requires skill.

- The game has been overplayed.

No its not. A fps game can't be overplayed even if you only played only one map for 7 years. Every match its different. Theres always the opportunity to take new maps to the mappool, but PDM6, ZTN, and T4 are the pillar of Q3. A must on every mappool imo.

- The game its old.

And you are stupid.

- It has crappy gfx lolz!

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8648/q3q4dm67ct.jpg

One screen looks nice and fun to play, the other looks boring. Easy, eh?

Next.

- The blindfanboy its you!

No, im not a "Q3 flindfanboy-stuck-in-time". Im judging both games from a neutral point of view, and Q3 its better on so many levels. Simply as that.

- You can't buy Q3, what about newbies?

Thats pure BS. The game has not been "discontinued" or something like that. If you search on the proper game stores you can find easily Quake 3: Gold. Which includes the original Q3+Q3 Team Arena for nice low prices. You can also buy it directly at the idsoftware website. And as the last resort you can always download it and use some generated cdkey. At the end of the day noone uses that useless thing called PunkBuster on his servers, so.

Finally, don't discard a Q3 comeback to the WCG that fast, because, its actually more than possible, looking at the "joke-wannabe competitive games" as UT2k7, that will come on the future. So, who wants to start the "Bring back Q3 to WCG" petition?

Thanks.

Competitions do not want to use this mummy game anymore. Understand? Thanks

They actually do, but you wouldn't anything about it.

This is not the place for this. I enjoy watching q4 way more than I enjoy quake 3. I like CPMA because it's very fast, I like quake 4 because it's fairly fast, I don't like q3 because it's slow.

funny, I find Q4 to be incredibly slow and "grounded" (not many mid-air frags) compared to VQ3...

1.3 is faster than q3 if you're down with crouchslides.

nah, it's still slower imo

I find Q4 shit. If I wanted speed I'd play NeedForSpeed 3.

Im judging both games from a neutral point of view, and Q3 its better on so many levels.
you call personal preference neutral? dude, there are people that like q3 more and there are people that like q4 more.
believe it, not everyone in the world has the same taste. and some get tired of doing year after year the same, they need changes. while others are fine with it.

just be happy it's quake. i;m not arguing with you btw, i like q3 and q4 :) i don't really care which one they choose... (although i favour q4)

can't you guys go whine elsewhere? really, i'm fed up with you ppl... or talk to your dog.

Good points :)

Your proposals are ludicrous and biased, without seeing one's flag I would be able to guess his nationality.

First of all, Blue in the list is some bloody joke, innit. Then no Winz, who, despite popular here pathetic accusations (I mean bunch of morons who created the whole idea of cheat config and blind fools who followed 'em) actually WON eswc, which is so far most exclusive tournament. IMO funny events where players were forced to play on laptops hold no significance. Or where everyone did their best to kick out cooller to let some lame german play.

My list of eight:

1. Toxic (no doubts)
2. Cooller (no doubts)
3. Winz (ESWC)
4. Socrates (clanbase)
5. Stermy (well respected for being runner-up/top3 over and over again, stable shape)
6. Cypher (ESWC, Quakecon)
7. Toogood (many tournaments)
8. Forever (many tournaments)

I think the fact that being a pole I did not put av3k in the list legitimates my list, doesn't it.

without seeing one's flag I would be able to identify a raged pole.

winz is in the list...

so you say that it's biased but then choose forever who's consistently performed poorly at every LAN event he's attended besides ESWC?

so why would people go for 2 americans or even one among the 8 players? clamp-ok was lucky to end up top 8 at quakecon and in the end another swede would probably provide us with a more competitive event these days

why exactly was clamp lucky again?

brackets allowed him to finish ahead of people probably being better than him? i.e. fatality

"so why would people go for 2 americans or even one among the 8 players? clamp-ok "

clamp-ok represents Australia and it would be
great to have a gammer from this continent included.

what or whom he represents seems to differ what u currently need. at eswc he was representing australia and at quakecon he was the guy who secured that the usa had at least one player finishing top 8. so now it seems as it suits you more if u look at him as a player from australia? ok

and most ppl here choose fatal1ty who barely achieves top5 during tournaments.

forever performs good every lan. fact that he doesn't win and that he is bloody ex.cheater fag is just not enough ;)) or is it?

well forever can be exchanged with av3k, whatever. but cooller, toxic, winz, socrates and cypher without ANY doubt deserve top8. 3 winners of major tournaments and one guy who achieved 2nd place on ESWC (best organised tournament so far) and did well on quakecon

why they using quake4?
its garbage, use quake3

I think WCG should really increase the number of spots ! 24 or 32 players is in my opinion the minimum.

take in account they will pay for plane tickets and accommodation and having just 8 players should give us some very interesting matches and they could even use round robin instead of 2 groups or normal cup layout.

Quake, if only it would be 3rd version :)

Ph4ntom
GaRpY
Fox
Av3k
Cypher
Ztrider
Blue
k1ller

no Toxic or Cooller? you gotta be smoking

He just wants Phantom ftw =)

ditto

Everyone else will vote for Cooller for me. Fox I really want to see play again. And he's such a friendly guy too ^^ (well from what I've seen on Quakenet)

obviously Fox has to be there, I find him quite entertaining even though he doesn't "act up"

Toxic
Cooller
Cypher
Fox
Forever
Winz
TooGood
Avek

Is av3k old enough to attend the tournament?

He just needs his parents consent.

Would be nice if some of these players say their status at the moment (active or not) and their predisposition to prepare WCG :o
Dont vote for sympathy :(

From those ive heard from (70%) they are all available.

Ok :D

I would imagine that most players would make themselves available for such a grand event, however if we find someone might not be able to attend we'll add a (%) by their name as to the likelihood they can play.

Also note that you may change your vote at any time before the week is up.

OK :D

why not remove socrates/other non-active ppl from the list? if they get picked then its just a free holiday for them

The last time I spoke to soc he was up for playing in an unspecified tournament in Europe mid-October. It's right after WSVG UK so most players will be in good shape even without trying.

im judging on wat theyve done, not wat they say they will do
and i dont like his earrings

It's amazing that nobody mentioned Fatal1ty sofar? I mean c'mon let's have this oldschool start at the event.

QUAKE4 SURE IS DEADL0;L0LLOL

Ah, so you're on the JSA New Deal...

?

How long you been on it then? A WHOLE YEARL0;L0LLOL ?

what the fuck is the JSA

Germany will kick k1ller to italy for sure ;-)

Besides, I d rather see Quake 3 at the WCG, but I am satisfied with Quake 4, too. Maybe Quake 4 will get a new push by ID and later on by Q4max and then we ll have a competativ Quake game again.



And Ver1tas, pls, finally, shut the fuck up - You have no clue at all !

I can't remember anybody asked for you. Q3 fanboy

I won't argue with you, since you really haven't any clue about organisations of this sizes and their real intentions. ;-)

Just because cpl picked q3 doesnt mean every tournament has to lol. Deal with it, its quake.

gl toxic

1. Sweden Johan "Toxic" Quick
2. Russia Anton "Cooller" Singov
3. Sweden Alexander "Ztrider" Ingarv
4. Belarus Alexey "Cypher" Yanushevksy
5. Poland Maciek "av3k" Krzykowski
6. Italy Alessandro "Stermy" Avallone
7. Netherlands Ivo "Forever" Lindhout
8. France Michael "Winz" Bignet
9. Sweden Magnus "Fox" Olsson
10. United States of America Johnathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel

My picks.

you cant have 10 :P

he can't count..

In my case, I can't pick eight, in your case minus two.

In that case,your vote doesnt count

No one cares but i'll leave my pics,

1. Cooller
2. Toxic
3. av3k
4. Socrates_
5. 2GD
6. Forever
7. Cypher
8. LC

and where are the pics?

hmm, mine:

- Ztrider
- k1ller
- Cypher
- TooGood
- Fatal1ty
- Fox
- Stermy
- lostcause

(I also don't vote for tox&cooller as everybody else will :P i just hope not everyone thinks the same :o )

Sorry, picks :P

A q4 tourney without a toxic vs. cooller final isn't a q4 tourney. But nvm, everyone must be getting tired of them, right?

IMO EVERY list should include the two young gunz!

But hey...

Looks like pedo atitude :) J/K

Good for Quake and the fps scene! To bad its a popularity contest to compete :(

will be better next year if this gets alot of spectators :D

"QUAKEWORLD RETURNS TO THE CYBER GAMES"

My eyes were tricking me. :(

the darkside is strong with you Vader!

People not including TooGoood are crazy.

Sure it's unlikely he'll win it - but he's a top 8 player for sure. You've only to check his results to show that, only once placed out of the top 8.

He doesn't have the skill to win. I'd rather bet on wildcards winz or forever or ztrider than toogood. Or the young guns av3k and cypher..

The 'young ones' are overhyped - it's just an easy thing for the people doing coverage to latch onto.

Totally agreed

no, these young ones (cypher and avek) are actually top8 material for every q4 tournament. but yeah, normally 2gd it top8 as well. the choice is so hard...

i will deff vote on tox, cooller, cypher, fatality, stermy, avec, socrates, ztrider.

the streams are realy fine btw, the kode5 stream was brilliant.

Sweden - Johan "Toxic" Quick
Russia - Anton "Cooller" Singov
Belarus - Alexey "Cypher" Yanushevksy
Poland - Maciek "av3k" Krzykowski
Netherlands - Ivo "Forever" Lindhout
France - Michael "Winz" Bignet
USA - Johnathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel
Germany - Marcel "k1ller" Paul




I got the young guns: k1ller/av3k/cypher with the topdogs: cooller/toxic and the wildcards: forever/winz and the hero: fatal1ty.


I'm a fatal1ty fan ;/

thats no bad thing imo.

same list but:

- forever and k1ller

+ ztrider and fox

2 many swedes!

there is no such thing!

remove ztrider or fox then and add Blue !

There must be at least one former Q2 player in that list :p

i'm not a real fanboy but i have grait respect for the guy. he has so mutch dedication in everything he does. he will get voted to wcg, he deserves it to, he would play brilliant.

hmm interesting list. I might choose those too

FOX x 8

Error: your vote is invalid, please try again.

YEAH FOGZ FOR TEH WIN!

omg omg, great quake4 news :D I knew the q4 1.3 patch would do good this... :D not saying 1.3 is the reason though.
anyway this is gonna be a great event, for player and hopefully for spectator aswell, gl too all.

omg i just chromed my pants

omg

I'm chroming at the mouth!

BTW - could you tell Alana I have her headphones

haha sure np :D

nice

lol